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Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby Carol on Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:52 pm

Here is a fine talk about Zen Teachers by Norman Fisher at Everyday Zen

No Teachers of Zen
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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby ed blanco on Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:22 pm

I'm all over the Everyday Zen site.
Thanks for the link.
I used to come here often last year but somehow let it lapse.

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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby Quiet Heart on Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:53 am

:) Excellent talk.
Thanks for posting it.
I almost feel like posting it as a "Question" on the "Ask a teacher" topic ..... but I'm not sure if that would be viewed as a "challenge".
So I won't post it there.
:)
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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:24 pm

Carol,

Funny!, "streaming" will not operate, in Firefox 27.0.1 (I did not try to download the talk as an mp3).

So, not only are there no teachers?, there is no teaching about the matter. :)

I'll take this as a complete teaching, and walk on!

Just one of those things you have to smile at. :tongueincheek:

(I like Norm; he came to talk to our sangha a few times in Tucson, once when he was just back from the Middle East, and when one of his books was just freshly out. He talked about poetry, as I recall. I think a tape recording was made, but I don't have access, and have resigned from the sangha after 20-plus years to favor other work).

tnx,

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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby littletsu on Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:46 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:Carol,

Funny!, "streaming" will not operate, in Firefox 27.0.1 (I did not try to download the talk as an mp3).

So, not only are there no teachers?, there is no teaching about the matter. :)

I'll take this as a complete teaching, and walk on!

Just one of those things you have to smile at. :tongueincheek:

(I like Norm; he came to talk to our sangha a few times in Tucson, once when he was just back from the Middle East, and when one of his books was just freshly out. He talked about poetry, as I recall. I think a tape recording was made, but I don't have access, and have resigned from the sangha after 20-plus years to favor other work).

tnx,

--Joe

Carol wrote:Here is a fine talk ...



Try Chrome! It only works for me in Chrome as well.

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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby Carol on Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:48 am

littletsu wrote:
desert_woodworker wrote:Carol,

Funny!, "streaming" will not operate, in Firefox 27.0.1 (I did not try to download the talk as an mp3).



Try Chrome! It only works for me in Chrome as well.

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/


It didn't work in Firefox for me either. Plays fine in Internet Explorer. A talk worth hearing, IMO.
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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby clyde on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:18 pm

This is a wonderful talk. Here are two snippets to whet your interest:

This is from his opening remarks [@2:45]:
“One of the main principles of Everyday Zen, when we thought about setting it up, was let’s assume, since it says so in the Scriptures, that everybody is a Buddha already. Let’s start with that assumption. And let’s have every Buddha in the sangha find his or her own way. Let’s not say that this is the way you have to do it.”

And later [@27:55]:
“Soon after my shiho [dharma transmission] ceremony in 1988, kind of fumbled around in a daze, I read a book by Thich Nhat Hahn which had a line in it that said something like ‘If you can’t find a true teacher, you might as well not study’ and this freaked me out and it tangled me up in the net of my unacknowledged preconceptions about Zen teachers.”

Norman continues to tell his story about how after a few uncomfortable years he catches up with Thich Nhat Hahn and asks him about this. Thich Nhat Hahn tells him not to worry and says, “We all help each other; it’s not a big deal. The one day person helps the person who just came today; the five year person helps the one year person; everybody helps one another according to his or her experience.”
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

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Re: Norman Fisher - No Teachers of Zen

Postby partofit22 on Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:41 pm

Finally got around to listening to this talk- Something tender about this teachers teachings that draws me in and pushes me away at the same time whenever I listen to him-

Can't quote him word for word but felt relieved when he said something like that there's no particular person to be- Which might not be right! But hearing it brought me peace-
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