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David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Carol on Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:54 pm

A Crisis for Buddhism?

All institutions are the mirror image of the motivations that make them work. So when politics and economics are based on the worst aspects of human nature, the inevitable result are societies riddled with inequality and violence. — David Loy

Join us on January 24 from 12:30 to 2:00 pm US Eastern Time for a conversation with Buddhist scholar and Zen teacher David Loy for a conversation about the crisis that global climate change presents to not only to a healthy biosphere but to the Buddhism we look to for answers on how to address it.

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:59 pm

Well, I don't think he means "mirror image". I think he means "image". This is very poorly-worded overall (I'm kinda surprised -- are you sure that's a direct quote from David? Was he having a bad day?).

Mirror-image would be a reversal. And, hey, wouldn't that be nice!? -- Just do your worst, and you get the best! But we're not seeing that played-out, are we... . :tongueincheek:

--Joe

p.s. If Loy really writes like that extemporaneously, then I'd say the Editors of his books have indeed really earned their salaries. His published writing is nowhere near as slipshod. Let's see if the sentence quoted can be recast into language that his Fifth-Grade teacher could approve, and his Freshman-Composition teacher could later again remind him:

"Institutions carry the tenor of their founders, or most recent reformers. Garbage-in, garbage-out". --Joe

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A Crisis for Buddhism?

All institutions are the mirror image of the motivations that make them work. So when politics and economics are based on the worst aspects of human nature, the inevitable result are societies riddled with inequality and violence. — David Loy

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Linda Anderson on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:20 pm

Joe,
taking it at face value, I don't get that mirror image is talking about reversals... ofc, technically, scientifically, that may be true. Mirror image, to me, is that institutions are a direct reflection of their creators.... just like angry ppl see angry everywhere, etc, etc. Which seems entirely, sadly, true with reference to our (US) national and international dealings. I won't speak for other nations or religion. why, just look at the donald.
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Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:26 pm

Linda Anderson wrote:taking it at face value, I don't get that mirror image is talking about reversals... ofc, technically, scientifically, that may be true.

Ah, another one who never read about Alice and her looking-glass! Or, remember?, that things weren't quite the SAME "through" that looking-glass?

Just a note... .

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

--Joe

p.s. Spearmint-Leaf essence and Caraway-Seed essence are the SAME molecule, but arranged in mirror-image fashion to each other (they're isomers). They taste and smell different to us, because our olfactory and gustatory apparatus, being chiral themselves, behave differently in the presence of different enantiomers impinging upon them. Hail! :tongueincheek:

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:08 am

I have spearmint, no caraway yet. Just call me alice... would you like more tea Joe?
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Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:18 am

Amino acids, having to do with Life, are of only one handedness. This is something still not well explained (understood in multiple dimensions), and remains rather interesting.

It's thought (guessed) that putative life-forms in other solar systems might be of opposite chirality from ours, and from us. Thus, too, maybe our various communicable diseases won't hurt each other, once we meet, and shake appendages.

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OK, THIS is excessive, but HERE you are, "R.E.M.", and their song... :

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:20 am

And, ...

Carol wrote:...but to the Buddhism we look to for answers on how to address it.

...cripes, I hope no one looks to "Buddhism" to address "it".

That would be misplaced.

Let's look to in vacuo thermal-depolymerization of waste plastics, grasses, and cellulose from crop-wastes and forestry, to make fuels. And of course to hydrogen sources based on solar-electrical electrolysis of water (say, from within my sunny Desert... ). ;)

Buddhists can then decide on how to burn our sustainable fuels in their (Our...) altar oil-lamps (as I do). :tongueincheek:

My next project is collecting Beeswax (for Zendo votive-candles) from my beehives at home. I'm just at the start of that. Progress-report to follow, sometime. It's golden-amber stuff, and lovely. Very, very lush. Beats the Bilbo-Baggins out of petroleum-derived "paraffin".

I hope David Loy will have lively participation in the upcoming online forum.

And I hope we see him again here at Tucson Upaya Sangha, soon. He's a good feller.

--Joe
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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:30 am

love the music Joe. you're right about the amino acids tho I don't avoid them. that's the beauty of the mystery.
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whoa, I didn't read that thingy about answers... :PP: right you are
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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:40 am

Linda,

Pardon the perfumery-antics, but avoiding them means being reborn in the Pure Land (some old PLACE where they-AIN'T no amino acids).

Meanwhile, lemme have my Lundberg (California) brown rice, why don't cha. I never done nobody no WRO-NG.

:lol2:

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Linda Anderson wrote: Joe. you're right about the amino acids tho I don't avoid them.
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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:22 am

what do you mean... the pure land is scent-free? really?
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Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:28 am

Linda,

Linda Anderson wrote:what do you mean... the pure land is scent-free? really?

Pure means pure. Dunno what natural or denatured perfumes may be there. We'll just have to sniff, when we arrive, to tell.

I suspect it will stink to high-Heaven, in all kinda fascinating ways, and I hope to God so.

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:30 am

pure excludes nothing, it's us'ns
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Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:53 am

L.,

Linda Anderson wrote:pure excludes nothing, it's us'ns

Yeah, but you never know, though, when you get to a new place, despite whether you have a Visa-stamp in your passport for it, or are an "illegal". We be the us'ns, yeppers, but dems-what are the other'uns may have it IN for us. Because of their ...Laws (such as in Old Mexico... [not New Mexico] ). And we ought not to blame them, down there, or think we're special. They're like us, if not (a lot) worse.

As for ME, I think you're SPECIAL, though. Pardon... .

Mexicans might throw us both out, tonight, though. Home-court Privilege!

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:02 am

A Crisis for Buddhism?

No. No crisis (for Buddhism). Definitely not. What a wild notion, in the first place.

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:15 am

wild notion or not, it's wise to take it seriously :)
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Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:25 am

Linda,

Linda Anderson wrote:wild notion or not, it's wise to take it seriously :)

And already dismissed, since that. Thanks.

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Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:29 am

:hugs: Joe knows how to dance
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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:44 am

Hiya,

Linda Anderson wrote::hugs: Joe knows how to dance

An asteroid I discovered, I named "Cueca Larga", the national dance of Chile. Only because I know the steps. Learned 'em from a lovely, well, Teacher. Simple... .

--Joe
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(19348) Cueca

Display all designations for this object / Show naming citation / # of variant orbits available = 3

Epoch 2016 Jan. 13.0 TT = JDT 2457400.5 MPC
M 101.77302 (2000.0) P Q
n 0.20113316 Peri. 5.33532 +0.99656936 +0.08257885 T = 2456894.50178 JDT
a 2.8850074 Node 349.92291 -0.07704770 +0.90144843 q = 2.7771964
e 0.0373694 Incl. 1.80126 -0.03021865 +0.42493700
P 4.90 H 14.6 G 0.15 U 0
From 674 observations at 16 oppositions, 1997-2015, mean residual 0".48.

Last observed on 2015 Dec. 18. Perturbed ephemeris below based on elements from MPO 358816.

Naming-Citation for (19348)
The following citation is from MPC 66725:

(19348) Cueca = 1997 CL12
The cueca, the complex national dance of Chile, dates to around 1824.
Partners mimic movements of rooster and hen in courting, holding and waving a
white handkerchief in the right hand, dancing to guitar music, voices, drums
and clapping. The name was suggested by J(oe).

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Our Brother, Tito Fernandez, National Treasure de Chile, does it great justice! (Wow!):

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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby partofit22 on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:55 am

We three kings of Orient are;
Bearing gifts we traverse afar,
Field and fountain, moor and mountain,
Following yonder star.

Refrain
Oooooo star of wonder, star of night,
Star with royal beauty bright,
Westward leading, still proceeding,
Guide us to thy perfect light...

Alice, Dorothy, Buddha, Jesus .. all reflections-
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Re: David Loy. A Crisis for Buddhism? Online conversation

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:57 am

partofit22 wrote:Alice, Dorothy, Buddha, Jesus .. all reflections-

No baloney.

:rbow:

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