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Re: Belief

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:30 pm

p., Teresa,

Some people just skew far right or left of the Law of Averages, too, I think (maybe by virtue of very resistant genes).

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Re: Belief

Postby partofit22 on Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:50 pm

I think its a combination of things, including genes- :)
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Re: Belief

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:14 am

her first ciggy ever :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
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Re: Belief

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:19 am

partofit22 wrote:I think its a combination of things, including genes- :)


It is, but I often wonder what all the fuzz is about, I mean who cares if your 33 or a 100, it's all the same in my view.
Keeping one healthy and young is a billion dollar industry, I pity the fool who takes any add or brand seriously :PP:
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Re: Belief

Postby partofit22 on Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:12 am

fukasetsu wrote:
partofit22 wrote:I think its a combination of things, including genes- :)


It is, but I often wonder what all the fuzz is about, I mean who cares if your 33 or a 100, it's all the same in my view.
Keeping one healthy and young is a billion dollar industry, I pity the fool who takes any add or brand seriously :PP:


Well .. I dont know. I can appreciate a good brand. Like Jansport for instance. They offer lifetime guarantees on their backpacks. Anyway, men say dumb things like age doesnt matter but its a lie. :tongueincheek: Mutual respect is a rare animal. Which is why people make such a big deal out of carefully washing their tea cup. Tea cups dont complain about the dish soap or temperature of the water.
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Re: Belief

Postby babybuddha on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:29 am

A child is born into stories compiled,
Layers of books becomes the player,
Thru beliefs came and are graced or erased,
What a relief to be free from the pages.
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Re: Belief

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:27 pm

p., Teresa,

As an aside, I note that in a commentary about "Downton Abbey", the six-season BBC production of Julian Fellows' story, it was noted that downstairs in the servants' quarters the servants served themselves tea by putting the milk in the cup first, and then poured the hot tea, because the china was of a lesser quality than was used upstairs and more prone to shatter.

Also, from other sources, I've heard that there are people who can tell by tasting if the milk was poured in first, or not. I can't claim personally that I myself can tell, and, anyway, I drink my tea neat (no milk, no sug.), but it would be interesting if what those other people claim is true.

A good brand of personal telescope is "Celestron". And there are others. ;-)

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Re: Belief

Postby partofit22 on Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:05 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:p., Teresa,

As an aside, I note that in a commentary about "Downton Abbey", the six-season BBC production of Julian Fellows' story, it was noted that downstairs in the servants' quarters the servants served themselves tea by putting the milk in the cup first, and then poured the hot tea, because the china was of a lesser quality than was used upstairs and more prone to shatter.

Also, from other sources, I've heard that there are people who can tell by tasting if the milk was poured in first, or not. I can't claim personally that I myself can tell, and, anyway, I drink my tea neat (no milk, no sug.), but it would be interesting if what those other people claim is true.

A good brand of personal telescope is "Celestron". And there are others. ;-)

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It's safe to believe that they practice drinking their tea milk first and that you drink yours neat- I do too- :) Drink mine neat-

I just purchased a pair of Nikon binoculars, on sale, at Dick's- And I'm not so sure I like the optics- They get rainbowy when looking at shiny objects on sunny days- But the other night, 3 of us enjoyed the stars with naked eyes- The sky is so clear come winter-
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Re: Belief

Postby partofit22 on Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:07 pm

babybuddha wrote:A child is born into stories compiled,
Layers of books becomes the player,
Thru beliefs came and are graced or erased,
What a relief to be free from the pages.


Beautiful :O:
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Re: Belief

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:17 pm

p., Teresa,

partofit22 wrote:I just purchased a pair of Nikon binoculars, on sale, at Dick's- And I'm not so sure I like the optics- They get rainbowy when looking at shiny objects on sunny days-

I looked at their website, and see 16 models of Nikon binocs. None of them seem cheaply made, and really should not produce false-color around bright objects. "Nikon" is one of those proud 'brands' out there, has been for decades, and has a great reputation, and wants to keep it. Are your binocs. one of the models shown below?:

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/searc ... ulars&sr=1

Have a look at the crescent moon, some evening soon, with the binocs.

Clear skies, and good viewing in the New Year,

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Re: Belief

Postby partofit22 on Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:41 pm

Yes, the Nikon Aculon A211 10x42 -- the last pair on the page- I tried the 10x50, there wasn't very much difference in distance but they are heavier weight wise- So I chose the lighter pair-
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Re: Belief

Postby Guo Gu on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:13 am

macdougdoug wrote:What we know, we know.
There is no need to believe what I already know.


but what you already know changes in time. so which one do you believe? what you knew or what you know? how are you ever sure what you know if what you know?

macdougdoug wrote:Why do we need to believe?


ppl believe because they disbelieve. believe and doubt intertwine... knowing is not knowing. as soon as you think you know, you don't really know.

macdougdoug wrote:Belief seems to be a defence mechanism and barrier; it can be separation and conflict; it clouds the open heart.


as long as you know, there's no open heart.

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Re: Belief

Postby Guo Gu on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:26 am

an excerpt from sengcan, the third ancestral master of chan, in his "faith in mind"

...
The Great Way is broad,
Neither easy nor difficult.
With narrow views and doubts,
Haste will slow you down.
Attach to it and you lose the measure;
The mind will enter a deviant path...
If the eyes do not close in sleep,
All dreams will cease of themselves...
Faith and mind are not-two;
Not-two is faith in mind.
The path of words is cut off;
There is no past, no future, no present.

knowing and the known; believe vs. disbelieve--the whole premise is upside down!
still, this is the human predicament isn't it? hence the need of practice and of this forum where ideas are shared...

wide eyed, no dreams to all!
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Re: Belief

Postby Michaeljc on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:53 am

There is a time for knowing

There is a time for not knowing and for not not knowing at the same time

Suppose this was Ehie (Dogen) and someone was to ask me, "why don't we know that there is a place of great intimacy?
I would just hit his face with my whisk and ask him, " Is this knowing or not knowing?" If he tried to answer, I would hit him again with the whisk
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And yet, Dogen knew without doubt that he needed to eat to stay alive
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Re: Belief

Postby macdougdoug on Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:31 am

Thanks for all the clarifications.

I'll just add that what we call knowledge is usually just a very strong belief.
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Re: Belief

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:53 pm

mdd, et al., FYI,

macdougdoug wrote:I'll just add that what we call knowledge is usually just a very strong belief.

In my previous and first profession as a Philosopher (Western), the accepted definition of "knowledge" -- held by most, and taught to students -- was "true justified belief".

This carries a lot of meaning, and to gather it all, or unpack it all... one must parse the definition, and thus (come to) have an understanding of truth-value; justification; and, belief. Then, all taken together, the definition of "knowledge" operates well.

But, note that belief is a part of it (the central part of it, and substantive part of it, modified by two important adjectives). That is why I post this note.

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Re: Belief

Postby macdougdoug on Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:17 pm

Very nice - reminds me also of the 'half-life of facts' ie. amount of time that has to elapse before half of the knowledge or facts in a particular area is superseded or shown to be untrue.(wikipedia)
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Re: Belief

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:27 pm

mdd,

macdougdoug wrote:Very nice - reminds me also of the 'half-life of facts' ie. amount of time that has to elapse before half of the knowledge or facts in a particular area is superseded or shown to be untrue.(wikipedia)

Yes; it all fits. This is where "justified", comes in, in the definition. At the time when something was (or is) knowledge, there was justification for it.

'Half-life' reminds me of what the romantic Plutonium said to the Uranium:

"Where have you been all my half-life?"

Vis-a-vis ephemerality, I think too of Ambrose Bierce's "definition" in his THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY (c. 1912), of "Radicalism":

"RADICALISM, n.; The conservatism of tomorrow injected into the affairs of today."

:Namaste:,

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Re: Belief

Postby partofit22 on Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:44 pm

macdougdoug wrote:Very nice - reminds me also of the 'half-life of facts' ie. amount of time that has to elapse before half of the knowledge or facts in a particular area is superseded or shown to be untrue.(wikipedia)


Yes! Did you notice in the news that there was some sort of reclassification in anatomy that has resulted in us having another organ?
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Re: Belief

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:23 pm

p., Teresa,

partofit22 wrote:Yes! Did you notice in the news that there was some sort of reclassification in anatomy that has resulted in us having another organ?

Hmm, maybe that will result in another medical specialization that can be taught in medical schools, and that MDs can become specialists in.

Another time, because off-topic here, I'll tell you what I know about the 13th zodiacal constellation. Practicing 'astrologers', I think, have not recognized it in practice by bringing it into their dubious 'chart calculations', but, due to precession of the equinoxes, and the formal definition of boundaries of the constellations in modern times by the International Astronomical Union at its General Assembly in 1930, the zodiac does indeed pass through 13 constellations, not 12.

BTW, since the 1930 consolidation and definition, there are 88 constellations over the whole sky, one for each key of the Grand Piano. I think it's fitting (and just fits). ;)

The "new" constellation is actually a very old constellation: indeed, a "Classical" one. But not many people know it at all, in my experience of "talking stars" with the Public.

So what's the new (human?) organ? Ooops, likewise off-topic.

Let's not forget, while we're at it, the discovery of a new letter of the alphabet that I mentioned here a year or two ago, Remember?, the new letter between "p" and "q". It's still not included even on the keyboard of my new laptop, so unfortunately I can't type it for you, here. Also off-topic. Yep, anarchy 'reigns' here.

EDIT: the new letter of the alphabet discovery was posted here on April 1, 2016; link below:

viewtopic.php?f=115&t=11531&p=183440

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