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Postby Guo Gu on Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:54 am

a case: how to come out of a vortex when you're in it?

verse:
don't be a broken record
don't agree or argue
don't add a head atop of another
don't be silent

have fun with it. :heya: but most importantly, be free from the vortex when you post anything in this forum.

post away!
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Re: vortex

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:13 am

All In This Vortex Together

This Astronomer says,
Don't be stuck in a dead-end orbit.
Circulate, yes,
but be a cork-screw.
(upwards and onwards; don't go down the drain!)

This Living Being says,
Double-helix
has a backbone of Emptiness.
So does this world.
(don't think it is "nothing"!)

This Practitioner says,
Thanks!, true Teachers,
Bodhisattvas, and
Friends.
(all Beings, including rocks, trees, and stars!)

:O:

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Re: vortex

Postby Michaeljc on Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:04 am

Streaks of candle wax,
dog-hair and dust
- this sitting mat

For what will they use it,
once I am gone?
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Re: vortex

Postby Seeker242 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:53 am

What does vortex mean?
Kill a cat, with a dried shit stick, under a cypress tree in the courtyard, while eating three pounds of flax! Only a cow goes Moooo!
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Re: vortex

Postby partofit22 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:58 pm

Suffering-
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Re: vortex

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:13 pm

Dharma-Joy. If you'll have it.

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Re: vortex

Postby Avisitor on Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:30 pm

Seeker242 wrote:What does vortex mean?

Being in the drama
Believing the actions and words to be more real than living life
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Re: vortex

Postby another_being on Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:03 pm

Thank you, Guo Gu.

:Namaste:
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Re: vortex

Postby Avisitor on Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:28 am

Fear Of Those Who Want To Teach


Have always had a bad feeling when someone decides that what they learned must be shared
With all honesty and sincerity, they tell others of their secret knowledge
So, they go onto forums and go to places to expound what secrets they believed to have been uncovered
It can start with quotes of Zen masters or quotes from the Bible
Yeah, the so called guy in the subway who claims to know how to decipher the Bible or some other religion .. is a good example

This is not to say that everyone who decides that they must share their knowledge is wrong or bad
Just that it is difficult to know for sure (unless one has had some dealings with this or previous experience)
So what is the right course of action??
Maybe what some have been saying from the beginning
Go find a teacher and a sangha ... follow up ... practice
And probably limit exposure on forums??

I like what Guo Gu said in Vortex
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Re: vortex

Postby partofit22 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:57 am

Somebody made an effort to help Ani fix his tv-

Carol posted a link to grandma and her cat photos-

http://zenforuminternational.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8928&p=138145&hilit=+cat#p138145

Keith ate at Hooters during a blizzard ..

:)
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Re: vortex

Postby Linda Anderson on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:20 am

Teresa ... :)X

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not this morning;
Melon flowers bloomed.
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Re: vortex

Postby Linda Anderson on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:58 am

"it's alright, we're going to the end of the line..."

Not last night,
not this morning;
Melon flowers bloomed.
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Re: vortex

Postby fukasetsu on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:44 am

Guo Gu wrote:a case: how to come out of a vortex when you're in it?


See what it's made of.

post away!

Get out of here! :lol2:
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Re: vortex

Postby Chrisd on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:09 am

Avisitor wrote:Just that it is difficult to know for sure (unless one has had some dealings with this or previous experience)
So what is the right course of action??
Maybe what some have been saying from the beginning
Go find a teacher and a sangha ... follow up ... practice
And probably limit exposure on forums??


yes probably finding a teacher and sangha and practice is then the best option.
That should reveal what is true and what isn't.
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Re: vortex

Postby [james] on Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:22 pm

'I' am the vortex.
'I' am a vortex being.
Dukkha samadhi,
Shall 'I' stop 'I' from arising?

May all beings be happy.
May all beings be liberated.
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Re: vortex

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:33 pm

My Meteorologist friend takes a tack like Will Rogers, and says she never met a vortex she didn't like.

Funny, she's from the American middle-West, and has seen the destructiveness of tornadoes.

"Professional-distancing!", I suppose?

You've just got to wonder about these Scientists... . :tongueincheek:

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Re: vortex

Postby another_being on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:44 pm

Chrisd wrote:
Avisitor wrote:Just that it is difficult to know for sure (unless one has had some dealings with this or previous experience)
So what is the right course of action??
Maybe what some have been saying from the beginning
Go find a teacher and a sangha ... follow up ... practice
And probably limit exposure on forums??


yes probably finding a teacher and sangha and practice is then the best option.
That should reveal what is true and what isn't.


With all respect, the only one who will reveal what is true and what isn't, is you. Teachers and sangha will provide pointers.

:peace:
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Re: vortex

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:55 pm

a_b,

another_being wrote:With all respect, the only one who will reveal what is true and what isn't, is you. Teachers and sangha will provide pointers.

I'll add that they also provide a safe and conducive atmosphere and environment in which to practice very deeply, in order to wake up (say, on sesshin).

Aitken Roshi and others sometimes referred to this resource as a "container". Well, ok. I feel it's a bit like a hospital, or a nursery. Very protective, concentrated, conducive, cultivating, cushioning, nutritious, supportive, and sustaining. Hail!

Causes and Conditions -- yes, in concert with one's efforts and abandonments -- work the needed wonders. Let's not leave them out of our thank-you card. ;)

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Re: vortex

Postby Avisitor on Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:29 pm

another_being wrote:With all respect, the only one who will reveal what is true and what isn't, is you. Teachers and sangha will provide pointers.
:peace:


So, how does one reveal what is true or not if one has no idea of what is true or not??
There are things like self deception and delusions??
Without the proper support, any truth that is or was revealed becomes a faded memory??
Then who knows if the memory remains true??

Note: There is a willingness in me to listen to anyone
Agreement or not, it is the part of life which has the spice

Speaking of spice, tried it in my coffee ... can't say it was my cup of tea ... :coffee:
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Re: vortex

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:05 pm

Av,

Avisitor wrote:There are things like self deception and delusions??
Without the proper support, any truth that is or was revealed becomes a faded memory??
Then who knows if the memory remains true??

Nice. I'd say a good "argument" for the need for continued practice as Zen Buddhists, "no matter what".

Memories and "Kodak-Moments" are good, but there's no end to the (this...) real Disneyland, while we're living (I can't say about after).

Hmm, I'm feeling some circulating winds. Is this the vortex, too? Or the steam rising from my Mocha Java? (I added that for YOU, Av).

tnx!,

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