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Re: Undarkening

Postby flutemaker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:45 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:See what you think.

I think too much. I think why some keep their mouth firmly and properly shut about the "unimaginable" awakening, while some others are about to tell what it is like to the right and to the left, 1001 times, here, and openly, and what the aftershocks are, and how it all goes. I think "Undarkening" is a poor choice, for it all is bright and colorful from the outset. I think "stubborn" is not good as a word either, and rather "persistent" is. I think I know what being persistent means, thanks to a multi-year experiment of being properly persistent. I think I don't keep photo albums of what is happening life-practice-wise and not a master to properly express it in words (there was never need to precisely explain anything to myself) so most (if not all) of it is properly forgotten and is left behind. I think you don't and cannot know that any sort of a stubborn persistence is still dependent on the stars and their position in the sky (both figuratively and literally speaking), that can be just not right for rather prolonged time. And cannot know a number of groups and individuals I could have meanwhile contacted, remotely and in person, visiting their gatherings, and that in this country this is impolite to say "no" but the "yes" could never materialize into what is desired. And cannot know what is it like to receive rejection of US tourist visa on grounds one cannot prove they are not intending to immigrate into this paradise (God Bless America), for to prove that one must show "ties" to their home country, but one can have no ties whatsoever to any place on this planet. But what you could still remember is the old Sufi story involving the bird in the room and the clapping of one's hands to make it free. There is a time when there is no more willing to continue being stubborn and persistent, and there is a time to just have a rest right on top of the window frame. More?.. I have more.
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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:33 pm

FM,

Good deal. Tnx for your reply.

You're not out of options. As I've reiterated a handful of times, you might (could possibly, it's up to you... ) start a sitting-group there, allow and encourage it to grow, and then invite a teacher to come THERE to hold Court, err-r, hold sesshin, or other practices and teachings. If necessary for the visiting teacher, a translator could be found there for addressing the assembly in case most or all speak only (beautiful..., Chilean... ) Spanish. Of course, if it's Daniel Terragno Roshi, well, he's a native Chileno: his group's current website is here: http://www.ysdharma.org/zen-teacher/our ... acher-182/

We did this in this desert town. Five guys and 2 gals started Zen Desert Sangha in 1982. I arrived and joined in 1988, and remained a member for 21 years. We attracted Maezumi Roshi from Los Angeles Zen Center, and then Robert Aitken Roshi to come from Hawai'i to teach us at first, and then Aitken Roshi sent some of his successors to us, and one remained with us for about 20 years until his death in May, 2012 -- that was Patrick Hawk Roshi:

http://sweepingzen.com/fr-patrick-hawk- ... rt-sangha/

Initially, our group invited Maezumi Roshi by letter to come from his center in Los Angeles to Arizona to teach us here. He came, and held some 6 sesshin here over a few years. Then the sangha turned to Aitken Roshi when it was becoming harder for Maezumi to get away: Maezumi's Center had grown quite huge (!) in LA and he had lots more demands on his time and attention.

The ZDS website is here:

http://www.zendesertsangha.org/

I'm happy to share this practical Dharma information with you, and Everyone.

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Re: Undarkening

Postby flutemaker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:52 pm

Happy "Undarkening" --- Up There.

Here --- There Is No Darkness.

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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:03 pm

flutemaker wrote:Happy "Undarkening" --- Up There.

Here --- There Is No Darkness.

Same here; that's what Undarkening is all about (in English). 'cept when I take a 'scope out at night. Plenty darkly-bright. Precious.

flutemaker wrote:0.jpg

Beautiful. I like the Pines. I take the sound of wind in Pines to be "the Breath of the Buddha". thanks!,

_/\_ ,

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ps Interesting photography, as always, Ani (kudos... ).
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Re: Undarkening

Postby flutemaker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:13 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:ps Interesting photography

Means, you noted the reflection of the "dirt road" up in the sky formed by the clouds (that one could hardly qualify for the name "dirt road"). Good if you did.
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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:45 pm

flutemaker wrote:
desert_woodworker wrote:ps Interesting photography

Means, you noted the reflection of the "dirt road" up in the sky formed by the clouds (that one could hardly qualify for the name "dirt road"). Good if you did.

Oh, yes. That does not escape my vision (I'm a photographer too, and painter. I "like" good composition, and juxtaposition). My teachers were Alfred Stieglitz, Ansel Adams, Edward Weston ("The Three Patriarchs of American Photography"), and Minor White, John Daido Loori Roshi, and others.

That type of cloud formation was called "Christmas Clouds", by one of my Tech friends on Tololo, Sr. Patricio Ugarte, un hombre muy capaz.

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Re: Undarkening

Postby flutemaker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:48 pm

Ha-ha, at this speed soon I'll have nothing to undarken. Look up the 6.9 magnitude quake 1 hour ago some 50 km West of Valparaiso. Much stronger than Friday's 6.0.
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Re: Undarkening

Postby Linda Anderson on Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:37 am

flutemaker wrote:Ha-ha, at this speed soon I'll have nothing to undarken. Look up the 6.9 magnitude quake 1 hour ago some 50 km West of Valparaiso. Much stronger than Friday's 6.0.


I'd know El Gate anywhere!

be safe, ElG

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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:27 am

Linda,

Linda Anderson wrote: I'd know El Gate anywhere!

Hmm, you're thinking of "Gate, gate, paragate, parasamgate, Bodhi, svaha!", there.

Or, Wumen's "Gateless Gate" (collection of koans).

Kudos.

In Chile, everything is diminutive, I mean, made so in speech. So, for example, "el Gato" becomes, "el Gatito".

It's a way of making things precious, and being informal. Want a tea? Then, order a "tecito". Want a coffee? Then, "cafecito". An after-dinner digestive herbal-tea, made with fresh Peppermint leaf, or fresh Sage? Then order una "aguita". Beer? "Cervecito". Como eso.

My favorite of the diminutive expressions in Chile comes when choosing between a small-size and large-size something-or-other. Want the BIG one, the super-sized thing-ie? Then, it's "El Grandecito".

But we do something similar sometimes. After all, we have "the Little-Bighorn". Or, "no Biggie". :tongueincheek:

Chile's a wonderful place, with wonderful people and culture. And natural beauty. And usually the best Economy in all S. America, or all Latin America, even during toughest times elsewhere, or there.

:Namaste:,

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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:30 am

FM (in the A.M.),

flutemaker wrote:Ha-ha, at this speed soon I'll have nothing to undarken. Look up the 6.9 magnitude quake 1 hour ago some 50 km West of Valparaiso. Much stronger than Friday's 6.0.

I hope everyone is safe. And no damage.

Chile is faulty (so is California).

Crack it up to subduction.

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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 21, 2017 7:13 pm

May true Dharma continue,
and Undarkening not be lost.

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Re: Undarkening

Postby fukasetsu on Sun May 28, 2017 10:47 am

Would translate to "ontduistering" in Dutch, very nice and much better word Joe, thanks.
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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 28, 2017 2:36 pm

f.,

fukasetsu wrote:Would translate to "ontduistering" in Dutch, very nice and much better word Joe, thanks.

Thanks!, Fuki. Again, I'm at least half-serious in this thread. ;)

But I wanted to bring out a meaning that is more like an "uncovering", and an institution or enlivening or re-institution of Human inheritances which are just covered-up, than is contained in the old word. I think my half-way impractical suggestion of a solution gets at this. I mean, I doubt it's likely to be widely adopted. :tongueincheek:

Otherwise... the old word -- as it was -- gives an impression of something needed to come from outside, or even paints a picture as an awakening to something outside, which I'd like to claim is incorrect. Instead, it's a turning-on of dormant equipment, and an uncloaking of ...a true Eye ...an eye we share.

Well, may all beings realize their freedom and unity. That is, may all beings be Undarkened!

I like the sound of the Dutch word. Thanks... .

:Namaste:,

--Joe

p.s. I met by Internet one of your countrymen who explores for Buddha statues in Eastern places -- mostly Burma -- and sells them worldwide. I have a piece or two coming from him very shortly. His name is Peter, and his beautiful website is here (maybe you know him? He writes that he's been doing this for 19 years):

http://www.burmese-art.com/

...and the catalog of statues begins here:

http://www.burmese-art.com/catalog
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Re: Undarkening

Postby fukasetsu on Tue May 30, 2017 3:21 pm

I know Sir, I picked up a lot of lessons from you unless if you were a 100% serious. :heya:

Yes, practise is not about learning or attaining new things, it's about unlearning or dissolving mind fabrications which cover our original nature, undarkening is even better then awakening.

Very nice, I don't know him, will you share a foto of it please when your order has arrived? :)
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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue May 30, 2017 8:02 pm

fuki,

fukasetsu wrote:I know Sir, I picked up a lot of lessons from you unless if you were a 100% serious. :heya:

Yes, practise is not about learning or attaining new things, it's about unlearning or dissolving mind fabrications which cover our original nature, undarkening is even better then awakening.

Very nice, I don't know him, will you share a foto of it please when your order has arrived? :)

Marcel, the carved wood Burmese Buddha has not arrived just yet, but here is one photo of many of this Buddha from Peter's website.

It's marked "Sold" because, well, I've bought it and mean to give it a home in a Ch'an practice group forming here, from which we can from time to time, I hope, send people to Guo Gu for Ch'an 7-day retreat... thus, from one "Sunshine"- State to... another! ...for further "Undarkening". We'll rely on Guo Gu providing the environment and conditions for the major part of that Undarkening... no matter how much of an "Arizona tan" the practitioner may arrive there with (and such tans are great, and natural, and protective).

Well, things are looking-up; and in Astronomy, too.

Regards!, to you and yours,

and to all the cats (well, they're not YOURS, ...but YOU are definitely THEIRS),

--Joe

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Re: Undarkening

Postby fukasetsu on Wed May 31, 2017 2:56 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
and to all the cats (well, they're not YOURS, ...but YOU are definitely THEIRS),


Most certainly so according to all cats,
and the song of the precious mirror samadhi :daisy:

Nice statue Sir, and nice of you to gift them.
I sometimes bid on statues (or sutra scrolls) on catawiki (dutch auction site)
but I'm usually outbid by dealers when it comes to the high end antiques who pop up a few times per year
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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed May 31, 2017 10:44 pm

Fuki, ...not to give the wrong idea, the statue is staying at my place, and will eventually reside at a Ch'an practice place yet to form fully, once there is a "core"-group. It's something I've been very slow in starting, though I continue to teach the physical methods, exercises, and self-massage, plus fundamental meditation methods and sitting postures (I'm sure you'll learn all these things from Guo Gu when you can attend a Ch'an retreat with him).

--Joe

p.s. The wood statue arrived TODAY, in perfect condition, in only 4 or 5 days. It was shipped on Friday, just a day after your national holiday, Hemelvaart last Thursday. A USA national holiday was also on Monday, but I'd say despite this the international shipping was very quick.
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Re: Undarkening

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:21 am

flutemaker wrote:I think too much.

Well your thoughts are not your own, which you can see once you see dependent origination, without that insight most beings remain stuck in a loophole of their own narrative, thinking your thoughts are your own, something internal and private is erroneous perception, you could say "there is thinking" but there's really no such thing as my thought or your thought. I wouldn't be able to write these thoughts if it weren't for you, which proves I have no ownership of them nor are they my creation as a so called seperate entity.
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Re: Undarkening

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:23 am

desert_woodworker wrote:
p.s. The wood statue arrived TODAY, in perfect condition, in only 4 or 5 days. It was shipped on Friday, just a day after your national holiday, Hemelvaart last Thursday. A USA national holiday was also on Monday, but I'd say despite this the international shipping was very quick.


We are masters of sailing and shipping Joe, we even have a shipping hole (schiphol) :PP:
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Re: Undarkening

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:49 am

fuk-ster,

fukasetsu wrote:We are masters of sailing and shipping Joe, we even have a shipping hole (schiphol) :PP:

Yes, gorgeous airport! Envy of a lot of Europe, I think (and USA).

Well, why not slide over and ship yourself to Guo Gu for a while, when you have "a moment". Even if there's no retreat at that time, you can get started with Sheng Yen's wonderful practices, including the physical practices, in a somewhat more relaxed atmosphere than Chan retreat (that's for sure). Guo Gu is a master, you know. He'd teach you. Bring your shorts, tank-tops, sunglasses, and bathing suit, if you go in Summer.
This is my wish for you. Fantasy, I know, until you may do it! Prayers... . :Namaste:

Best, very best,

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