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Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby flutemaker on Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:20 pm

Case 2 Hyakujõ's Fox 二 百丈野狐



百丈和尚、凡參次、有一老人常隨衆聽法。

When Hyakujõ Oshõ delivered a certain series of sermons, an old man always followed the monks to the main hall and listened to him.

衆人退、老人亦退。

When the monks left the hall, the old man would also leave.

忽一日不退。師遂問、面前立者復是何人。

One day, however, he remained behind, and Hyakujõ asked him, "Who are you, standing here before me?"

老人云、諾。

The old man replied.

某甲非人也。

"I am not a human being.

於過去迦葉佛時曾住此山。

In the old days of Kashyapa Buddha, I was a head monk, living here on this mountain.

因學人問、大修行底人還落因果也無。

One day a student asked me, 'Does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?'

某甲對云、不落因果。

I answered, 'No, he does not.'

五百生墮野狐身。

Since then I have been doomed to undergo five hundred rebirths as a fox.

今請、和尚代一轉語貴脱野狐。

I beg you now to give the turning word to release me from my life as a fox.

遂問、大修行底人、還落因果也無。

Tell me, does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?"

師云、不昧因果。

Hyakujõ answered, "He does not ignore causation."

老人於言下大悟。

No sooner had the old man heard these words than he was enlightened.

作禮云、某甲、已脱野狐身住在山後。

Making his bows, he said, "I am emancipated from my life as a fox. I shall remain on this mountain.

敢告和尚。 乞、依亡僧事例。

I have a favor to ask of you: would you please bury my body as that of a dead monk."



師、令維那白槌告衆、食後送亡僧。

Hyakujõ had the director of the monks strike with the gavel and inform everyone that after the midday meal there would be a funeral service for a dead monk.

大衆言議、一衆皆安、涅槃堂又無人病。何故如是。

The monks wondered at this, saying, "Everyone is in good health; nobody is in the sick ward. What does this mean?"

食後只見師領衆至山後嵒下、以杖挑出一死野狐、乃依火葬。

After the meal Hyakujõ led the monks to the foot of a rock on the far side of the mountain and with his staff poked out the dead body of a fox and performed the ceremony of cremation.

師、至晩上堂、擧前因縁。

That evening he ascended the rostrum and told the monks the whole story.

黄蘗便問、古人錯祗對一轉語、墮五百生野狐身、轉轉不錯合作箇甚麼。

Õbaku thereupon asked him, "The old man gave the wrong answer and was doomed to be a fox for five hundred rebirths. Now, suppose he had given the right answer, what would have happened then?"

師云、近前來與伊道。

Hyakujõ said, "You come here to me, and I will tell you."

黄蘗遂近前、與師一掌。

Õbaku went up to Hyakujõ and boxed his ears.

師拍手笑云、將謂、胡鬚赤。 更有赤鬚胡。

Hyakujõ clapped his hands with a laugh and exclaimed, "I was thinking that the barbarian had a red beard, but now I see before me the red-bearded barbarian himself."



Mumon's Comment

無門曰、不落因果、爲甚墮野狐。

Not falling under causation: how could this make the monk a fox?

不昧因果、爲甚脱野狐。

Not ignoring causation: how could this make the old man emancipated?

若向者裏著得一隻眼、便知得前百丈贏得風流五百生。

If you come to understand this, you will realize how old Hyakujõ would have enjoyed five hundred rebirths as a fox.



Mumon's Verse 頌曰

不落不昧 Not falling, not ignoring:

兩采一賽 Two faces of one die.

不昧不落 Not ignoring, not falling:

千錯萬錯 A thousand errors, a million mistakes.
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby flutemaker on Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:21 pm

Anyone here falls under the chain of cause and effect or not?
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby macdougdoug on Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:48 pm

The only cause is our own belief
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Caodemarte on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:55 pm

Like everyone else, I am cause-and-effect. How can I be chained by what I am? How can I be separate?
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby TigerDuck on Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:09 am

When we see a mirror, our reflection is empty. However, it is a reflection of our face, not other faces.

Although karma is empty of Essence, everyone is bound to it.

Like Padmashambava advices:

Our view must be like space, but our action must be as fine as flour.

Unless, we still cannot sleep in the public toilet, or give our eyes freely, don't boast, watch out our action.

But if you can sleep well in public toilet, give your eyes freely, already perfect in any aspects of the view, go ahead to do anything as whatever empty karma occurs to you, you can experience it as free of good and bad.

Through nonconceptuality, he is immovable.

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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Guo Gu on Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:22 pm

the old man is already freed.
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:26 am

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I've always admired and felt gratitude for Robert Aitken Roshi's (1990) translation of these lines of the Case:

    "[The old man] then asked Pai-chang, 'Does an enlightened person fall under the law of cause and effect or not?'

    Pai-chang said, 'Such a person does not evade the law of cause and effect.' "
from: Robert Aitken; The Gateless Barrier: The Wu-Men Kuan (Mumonkan); 1990; North Point Press; San Francisco; p.19.

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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Jok_Hae on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:59 am

Work with this one today with my teacher. Didn't pass.

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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby organizational on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:33 am

Hello Keith,

I believe, you have passed that koan!

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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Jok_Hae on Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:13 pm

organizational wrote:Hello Keith,

I believe, you have passed that koan!

rgrds,


Why, thank you!
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby organizational on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:09 pm

"bismillahirahmanirahim".

Do you know what it is?
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Jok_Hae on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:24 pm

organizational wrote:"bismillahirahmanirahim".

Do you know what it is?


Google tells me: "In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful"

I thought it was Arabic for: "off topic" ;)
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby organizational on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:38 pm

May WAKU'AN'S "WHY NO BEARD?" be the next koan

Waku'an (looking at Bodhidharma's picture) complained, "Why has that Barbarian no beard?"

Mumon's Comment:
If you study Zen, you must study it with all your heart. When you attain enlightenment, it must be true enlightenment. When you really meet Bodhidharma face to face, then you finally have gotten it right. However when you start explaining it with words, you have fallen into duality.

Do not explain your dream
Before a fool.
The barbarian has no beard,
How could you add obscurity to clarity?
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby organizational on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:50 pm

btw Jok I wonder How long do you study with 'a' koan?
or how do you set the time for that?
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Jok_Hae on Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:37 am

organizational wrote:May WAKU'AN'S "WHY NO BEARD?" be the next koan

Waku'an (looking at Bodhidharma's picture) complained, "Why has that Barbarian no beard?"

Mumon's Comment:
If you study Zen, you must study it with all your heart. When you attain enlightenment, it must be true enlightenment. When you really meet Bodhidharma face to face, then you finally have gotten it right. However when you start explaining it with words, you have fallen into duality.

Do not explain your dream
Before a fool.
The barbarian has no beard,
How could you add obscurity to clarity?


Beard, no beard...where is the mistake? (that's an interesting translation, btw.)
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Jok_Hae on Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:43 am

organizational wrote:btw Jok I wonder How long do you study with 'a' koan?
or how do you set the time for that?


Kwan Um has particular way of dealing with kong an's. It's not special, just different, geared toward lay folks. I don't feel like explaining it here, the internet being the internet. The practice has been helpful to me. If you are truly interested, pm me, or ask in the Teacher section. Zen Master Judy Roitman, a Kwan Um person, may answer your question. My own sense is that it is a complicated subject, best dealt with in person, if at all possible. :peace:
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby fukasetsu on Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:48 am

Jok_Hae wrote: I don't feel like explaining it here, the internet being the internet.


Isn't that what the stone girl is for. :tongueincheek:
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby Jok_Hae on Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:11 am

fukasetsu wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote: I don't feel like explaining it here, the internet being the internet.


Isn't that what the stone girl is for. :tongueincheek:


Generally speaking, she just dances, Marcin. :lol2:
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby fukasetsu on Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:38 am

I like it when she plays and I'm so flabbergasted by the event I turn into stone myself :lol2:
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Re: Case 2 Hyakujo’s Fox Raised

Postby organizational on Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:50 am

Jok_Hae wrote:
organizational wrote:btw Jok I wonder How long do you study with 'a' koan?
or how do you set the time for that?


Kwan Um has particular way of dealing with kong an's. It's not special, just different, geared toward lay folks. I don't feel like explaining it here, the internet being the internet. The practice has been helpful to me. If you are truly interested, pm me, or ask in the Teacher section. Zen Master Judy Roitman, a Kwan Um person, may answer your question. My own sense is that it is a complicated subject, best dealt with in person, if at all possible. :peace:


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