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From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fellow"

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:48 pm

I post in the 'Zen Buddhism' area although the figures (dramatis personae) here are originally Ch'an figures.

This is one of the accounts in The Record of Lin Chi (Linji), or Rinzai ...for some variety in this season of the Christmas story.

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    The master (Lin Chi) left Daigu and returned to Obaku who, seeing him come, remarked: "When will there be an end to the comings and goings of this fellow?"

    The master said: "It is only because of your grandmotherly kindness."

    Then, after the usual courtesies, he stood to attend on Obaku.

    The latter asked where he had come from and the master replied: "The other day you were kind enough to send me to Daigu for an interview."

    Obaku asked: "What did Daigu have to say?"

    The master then related what had happened, whereupon Obaku said: "How do I have this fellow coming here? Just wait, I'll give you a good beating."

    The master said: "What do you mean about waiting? Get to it right now!" and accordingly punched Obaku who said: "This madman who comes here to stroke the tiger's whiskers... ."

    The master gave a katsu-shout and Obaku called: "Attendant, bring this madman into the monks' quarters.

    Later, Issan mentioned this story to Gyosan and asked him:

    "At that time, was it with Daigu or with Obaku that Rinzai found his strength [awakening]?"

    Gyosan said: "He not only knew how to ride the tiger, he also knew how to grab its tail."
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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby [james] on Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:56 pm

"Obaku called: "Attendant, bring this madman into the monks' quarters."

Everyone here is a Bodhisattva, challenging and strengthening our PRACTICE.
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Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:26 pm

[james] wrote:"Obaku called: "Attendant, bring this madman into the monks' quarters."

Everyone here is a Bodhisattva, challenging and strengthening our PRACTICE.

Yes. Everyone in the account was / (is still) a Bodhisattva, and had made Bodhisattva vows, and other vows, studied Precepts, Sutras, and practiced Buddhist Vinaya, as life-time ordained monastics.

I agree that, as water is where one finds it, strengthening is where one finds it. And where one applies it.

Application of the word "madman" to master Linji was his teacher's use of an honorific for a beloved disciple who had "made good". Note that Linji had made obeisance, expressed gratitude for kindnesses received, attended on his master, etc., before taking occasion to demonstrate his understanding in various other dimensions. His teacher trusted him and knew he could bring him (have him brought... ) to the monk's quarters to use him as a vivid teaching example for the sluggards. Impeccable, teacher and disciple. Both awake.

Bodhisattvas!, let sunshine through the rainy window. At least once... . :heya:

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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby [james] on Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:54 pm

Every day is a Rainy Day.
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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:00 pm

[james] wrote:Every day is a Rainy Day.

Nice... .

Let the rain onto the parched places.

Lightning strikes reach the ground on Earth as much as 8 million times per day, or 100 times per second, according to the National Severe Storms Laboratory. Out of all the lightning strikes in the world, the United States accounts for about 20 million of the total number of lightning strikes each year (or about 55000 strikes per day in USA).

May one of these bolts light your Dharma candle (to borrow an image and wish from Wumen).

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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:40 pm

Further on "lightning":

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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby Michaeljc on Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:25 am

I have read this before. If we don't 'get it' we have a ways to go on our path. BTW we wont begin to understand Dogen either (IMO). What is this principle so clearly underlined (comings and goings)?
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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:43 am

Michael,

Many blessings. I'd be glad to hang out with you anywhere for a goodly stretch of time. Remarkable also that you knew my good friend John Daido Loori, Roshi, and as your teacher on sesshin.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, in your question. My fault. Sorry.

But, the fellow was obviously bouncing here and there. Finally, he settled when he had his opening realization. What need of teachers after that? And, "why travel to other dusty countries?" (--Dogen).

Zen Buddhism is all only a matter of becoming well. And remaining well. Daily-life is the only game in town.

There's nothing else to seek but that kind of health.

IMHO (whew, never wrote that acronym before, in so many words). ;)

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p.s. Here's a winter view from the White Christmas had on Kitt Peak, our National Observatory mountain, on the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation Nation land.

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Michaeljc wrote:I have read this before. If we don't 'get it' we have a ways to go on our path. BTW we wont begin to understand Dogen either (IMO). What is this principle so clearly underlined (comings and goings)?
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Postby [james] on Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:57 am

Michaeljc wrote:What is this principle so clearly underlined (comings and goings)?


Any news on our brother's journey?
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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby Michaeljc on Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:02 am

Finally, he settled


I hope not :)
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Postby [james] on Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:18 pm

Michaeljc wrote:
Finally, he settled


I hope not :)


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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby [james] on Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:19 pm

Michaeljc wrote:
Finally, he settled


I hope not :)


Yeah, me too.
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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:08 am

desert_woodworker wrote:The master (Lin Chi) left Daigu and returned to Obaku who, seeing him come, remarked: "[i]When will there be an end to the comings and goings of this fellow?"


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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:15 pm

Settling seems not so bad, after wearing out copious pairs of straw sandals.

Seated here after a first coffee on this New Year's morning (sun's yet to rise. No hangover, no headache. But the guns were noisy outside at the midnight hour, enough to rattle me out of sleep several times. Although it's strictly illegal to do so in this town of 600,000, oiled-up pistoleros here fire off a clip or two [usually ten shots each] into the air, on a whim, or while drunk. This is still the Wild West, at times, pardner).

In zazen, we settle, too. Or not.

Celebrating 29 years next month of my settling in this clear-aired desert clime.

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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby Guo Gu on Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:57 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Gyosan said: "He not only knew how to ride the tiger, he also knew how to grab its tail."[/size][/list]
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it's not a "he" vs a "tiger."
just a cub playing with its mother--same species.

as for huangpo and dayu, no one can tell a head from its tail.

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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby Michaeljc on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:19 am

it's not a "he" vs a "tiger."


Yes, that the way I interpret too. Who is testing who in this story?

"Comings and goings" Who/what doesn't?

Actually I feel most uncomfortable interpreting koan stories. I don't see them as open for discussion - part of Soto tradition that doesn't gel well with me. Dogen refers to hundreds of them but he never explains a meaning. He comes out with statements that appear to have no relevance. He is more likely to ask "what does this mean right now!" - then ramble on about mountains. rocks, grass and stuff. Wonderful man. :Namaste:
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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:13 pm

Happy New Year, Guo Gu,

Guo Gu wrote:it's not a "he" vs a "tiger."
just a cub playing with its mother--same species.

as for huangpo and dayu, no one can tell a head from its tail.

(Yeah, but as they're both clearly tigers, one "knew not only how to ride the other, but also knew how to grab its tail").

But who says there's a "one", and "the other"? I'd just say, 'it goes by different names'. ;)

And given that, "one" and "the other" are then fine too (and, very welcome!).

:Namaste:,

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Re: From the Linji Lu -- "The Comings and Goings of This Fel

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:03 am

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The final "going" is honored and given comment in a central (heart... ) text of the Prajnaparamita literature, thus:

The finishing lines of the Heart Sutra are the great mantra of Awakening. Translated, they are, closely approximately:

    "Gone, gone, gone beyond. Gone completely beyond. Great natural Wisdom!, Hail!"
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