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Question One

Postby organizational on Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:33 pm

Why do we love each other?

Friend desert_ request me
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about the question above.

So do I.
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Re: Question One

Postby Spike on Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:45 pm

To survive
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Re: Question One

Postby Caodemarte on Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:08 am

Because we must.
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Re: Question One

Postby miles of smiles on Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:35 am

What is love? At base, it's just a series of chemical reactions governing reproduction (lust is chemically driven) and survival of the species (bonding - including friendship and familial love). At the end of the day, it's just a word; an abstract idea - reinforced through social norms designed to promote stability in the world. For many reasons, love is a wonderful idea; but at base, I'm not sure there is anything more to it.

At the same time, it exists because the idea/our collective ideas about it exist, right? I mean, there are people whom I dearly love - even though it's driven by chemistry? It's like the entire concept of love ultimately negates itself, right?

I'm not sure I can explain what I'm trying to express, but this is an interesting topic because it is something that has been coming up for me in practice - though not in exactly the way you have phrased it here. I'm reading a book by Howard Bloom called The Lucifer Principle which in which he makes some really interesting arguments about human nature that aren't pretty.

I look forward to reading everyone's replies.
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Re: Question One

Postby Caodemarte on Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:49 am

We love each other when we see clearly, without biases. Then there is no rigid sense of self and other. No hard barriers. Poetically speaking, God loves us because he sees us clearly as himself. This why we say God is love. We don’t control this.
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Re: Question One

Postby Linda Anderson on Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:35 am

Why? ... a meaningless beginning to any question. think about it...
Not last night,
not this morning;
Melon flowers bloomed.
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Re: Question One

Postby macdougdoug on Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:36 am

Seems also that there might be different définitions for the word Love.
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Re: Question One

Postby partofit22 on Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:59 pm

Caodemarte wrote:We love each other when we see clearly, without biases. Then there is no rigid sense of self and other. No hard barriers. Poetically speaking, God loves us because he sees us clearly as himself. This why we say God is love. We don’t control this.


Yes- I've seen it expressed, or defined, differently but mean the same-
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Re: Question One

Postby Spike on Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:31 pm

From practicing altruism, we may sometimes anticipate a return in kind, thus enhancing chances of survival. Morality latched on to this much later.
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Re: Question One

Postby Larry on Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:36 pm

"Love others to love yourself!" - Rumi
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Re: Question One

Postby organizational on Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:00 pm

Larry wrote:"Love others to love yourself!" - Rumi


Wonderful!
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Re: Question One

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:45 am

Igor Stravinsky said to his musician colleague that Love is more important than Respect, because,

"Respect fathers no children."

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Re: Question One

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:49 am

org'l, Enver,

organizational wrote:Why do we love each other?

Well, I'm making no such reciprocal claims. It may just be the beer talking, there. Check yourself. I'm sure you must be an OK guy, though. Even without an interest in Turkish cat breeds; oh, well. Nobody's perfect.

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Re: Question One

Postby Spike on Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:29 am

Here's a short layman's article titled "Hardwired for Empathy: How Mirror Neurons Connect Us"

https://kripalu.org/resources/hardwired ... connect-us

There are plenty of other articles from a science perspective that discuss this phenomenon. Primitive man developed this connection in clan alliances, to survive.
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Re: Question One

Postby organizational on Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:26 am

desert_woodworker wrote:It may just be the beer talking, there.


Yes, friend.I should have just give up drinking and start - practicing Zen.

It's all that it matters.
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Re: Question One

Postby lobster on Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:59 am

macdougdoug wrote:Seems also that there might be different définitions for the word Love.


Indeed. :Namaste:

We love cake ... or maybe that is just me :hide:
We love relatives, despite or even because of their foibles. :peace:
We love cod, god, people, films, music, meditation, Buddhas etc ... :dance:

All these are experientially different. :O:

We are what we love. “Increase in Love”, as the dervishes say. I luv that. :hugs: :ghug: :daisy:
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Re: Question One

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:31 pm

"God is Love", Christians say.

And Sufism is all about Love (of "the Beloved").

Love can also be a Yoga (as in Bhakti yoga): "Love for Love's sake".

Some common themes, here; basically Human. Or, basically Mammalian.

Do Reptiles love? "Dunno"... .

"Love is a many-splendored thing",

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Re: Question One

Postby Larry on Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:59 pm

Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences....

A more controversial emotion in reptiles is the concept of pleasure, or even love. Many feel that they have not developed this emotion, as it does not naturally benefit them. However, most reptiles do seem to recognize people who frequently handle and feed them.
"I don't know if it is love," says Dr. Hoppes, "but lizards and tortoises appear to like some people more than others. They also seem to show the most emotions, as many lizards do appear to show pleasure when being stroked." When it comes to interactions with humans, some reptiles do seem to enjoy their company. A tortoise that enjoys being petted might stick its neck out or close it eyes and become still and calm during the interaction.

From "Pet Talk" at Texas A&M University
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Re: Question One

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:54 pm

Thanks!, Larry. That's some very good information from Texas A&M. Thanks for sharing it around. I think some birds, too, can show favor to some people versus others. Maybe birds descended from "The Terrible Lizards" (Dino's; Reptiles).

Somehow, Saint Francis was able to befriend almost all animals, birds, mammals, and ???.

I'd now like to share a news-release just out today from the university here. It concerns hormones, and the study involves the problem (to Humans) of aggressiveness in dogs. Well, canine-aggression is also a problem to other dogs, as well (dog-fights are often bloody, or fatal).

Here's a snippet from the release that I'd particularly like to emphasize, because it mentions ...the LOVE-hormone, probably relevant in this thread:

    "Oxytocin, which is significant in childbirth and nursing, is sometimes called the "love hormone," as its levels in humans have been shown to increase when we hug or kiss a loved one. Vasopressin is a closely related hormone involved in water retention in the body. In contrast to oxytocin, it has been linked to aggression in humans, with previous research suggesting that people with chronic aggression problems have high levels of vasopressin."

The full news-piece is here:

http://uanews.arizona.edu/story/hormone-could-be-making-your-dog-aggressive?utm_source=uanow&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=

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Re: Question One

Postby Larry on Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:35 am

desert_woodworker wrote: I think some birds, too, can show favor to some people versus others.

When we lived in Hong Kong in the 80's & 90's we used to have a large parrot called Gabriel. We occasionally let him fly round the garden. He loved to attack men!...But never women. Probably had a bad early experience with a man.

I never got round to hugging lizards or snakes :)
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