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I have a question

Postby organizational on Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:34 pm

i have a question

Is something as (much as) we uderstand it?

as what it really is?

or valid up to we understand it?


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Re: I have a question

Postby bokki on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:59 am

first, nice 2 c u again, what d f were u doing not posting?
second lol
i have a question

dont we all!
Is something as (much as) we uderstand it?

imo no, d small mind can never reach d borders d MIND has not.
as what it really is?

a simple one letter word. good we dont have 2 know all, it would b just 2 much
or valid up to we understand it?

u got it upside down there

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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:20 am

hello bokki, nice to see you too.

i was hanging out.time is passing and i'm getting older.time for me to think
more on health.and to begin regular zazen.all that i wish.

so for the question let me ask in another way;

let's say i give a decision with an observation,

but when a time passed i realized that observation
on which my decision stand is wrong.

however i had sensed or detected the observation as true
at that moment in the beginning.

now what?

all my actions gone wrong?gone free?

or have i done true and just need a second review,
renew and evaluation on the subject?

thx!
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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:26 pm

organizational wrote:let's say i give a decision with an observation,

but when a time passed i realized that observation
on which my decision stand is wrong.

however i had sensed or detected the observation as true
at that moment in the beginning.

now what?

all my actions gone wrong?gone free?

or have i done true and just need a second review,
renew and evaluation on the subject?

thx!


It doesn't matter if it's wrong or true, those are probably just interpretations upon perception and not helpful.
The past is already the past, in present time you can just change the decision if that's possible and review or renew it as you say, or be honest that you made a mistake to yourself or if there are other persons involved. Hard to say something useful for me since you don't give an actual example of the event or decision. It's not clear if you're talking about an actual daily life event or if your speaking about an internal narrative where you question some story about yourself.

True and wrong need not to be created to come to correct decisions, they only confuse the matter.
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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:27 pm

hello fukasetsu

thx for the answer i simply like it.

to examine the problem, my decisions are mostly happen to be momentary.i've developed a method and call it the following white method.In this method you act,talk or speak when your NON-THINKING THOUGHT MATCH WITH WHITE! so following this method for the last few years and really see the benefits especially it is very helpful in concentrating and being motivated for practicing Zazen.It's a daily practice and you can find more info here if you like: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=11044

Now, as to be back the subject which you want an example; yesterday i gave a decision to write in this forum.as i was already writing in another forum.yet after i took the decision i fell in doubt about this decision.cause i saw that i could also be wrong.

you know that was a momentary decision and i was following white.

btw, i give my all decisions by following white.

but i like your answer: you know if it is true it is true.

hope make sense,
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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:44 pm

It appears to make sense to me.
But when you match white, there is no right or wrong, correct?
So on what does it depend you can make decisions which are either right or wrong?

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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:14 pm

yes, when you match white

at the first look there seems to be no right or wrong cause it's a Non-Thinking thought.

but you can be sure that they (or it) are all the buddha's RIGHTS!
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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:37 pm

But the nature of ignorance is the nature of Buddha,
so on what does right and wrong depend?
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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:54 pm

this question is over my length.we need an old experienced skill.
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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:00 pm

Friend,

Do you see how you for instance know people but do not understand people?
That can apply to WHITE too.

Hence knowing white does not always mean understanding white,
so take good care what you base your decision on.

So what is it?

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Re: I have a question

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:04 pm

Enver, and Marcel, et al.,

fukasetsu wrote:But the nature of ignorance is the nature of Buddha, so on what does right and wrong depend?

I'd say "it" depends on outcome. (tee-hee, not income).

Actions (and outcomes) are either skillful (in accord with reality), or not.

Some people speak of right and wrong, but it may be more useful (in giving us insight... ) to speak and think in terms of skillful and unskillful.

Shall we give it a whirl? (or not).

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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:32 pm

I'd say you said it skillfully
the outcome from your words also depends on the reader in question.
so in that case "right or erroneous" relates to one's perception.

Even saying skillfull things can be considered unskillfull by some.
A whirl of activity, can mean confusing or a "turning about"
depending on the outcome.

but I'd say you are correct.
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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:34 pm

fukasetsu wrote:But the nature of ignorance is the nature of Buddha,
so on what does right and wrong depend?


I think this is a very good question.

Again i think it depends on Mind (understanding) and illusion.
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Re: I have a question

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:52 pm

Having a question is good, I think. I don't understand the question(s), and can't answer.

But here's an exchange between a monk and Master Tung-shan (807 - 869). --Joe

From the Record of Tung-shan, item no. 86.

    86. "A monk asked, 'What is proper questioning and answering?'
    'When it doesn't come from the mouth,' replied the Master.
    'If someone were to question you, would you answer or not?' asked the monk.
    'I've never been questioned,' replied the Master."
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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:00 pm

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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:11 pm


From the Record of Tung-shan, item no. 86.

    86. "A monk asked, 'What is proper questioning and answering?'
    'When it doesn't come from the mouth,' replied the Master.
    'If someone were to question you, would you answer or not?' asked the monk.
    'I've never been questioned,' replied the Master."
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I think it is totally wrong.Everything is a question and i am ready to answer all the questions!
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Re: I have a question

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:41 pm

organizational wrote:I think it is totally wrong.Everything is a question and i am ready to answer all the questions!


Before the tongue starts to roll, unsay yourself!
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Re: I have a question

Postby organizational on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:38 pm

Following White Method

that's sustainable...
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