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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:12 pm

Watched the video. I'm not in the mood these days to hear talk of death from a kuti. ... Besides, no one has ever failed death.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Seeker242 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:45 pm

Kojip wrote:Watched the video. I'm not in the mood these days to hear talk of death from a kuti. ... Besides, no one has ever failed death.



Plenty of people have failed death. Murderers, robbers, rapists, etc, etc. All of them previously have failed death and all the current ones will fail also. :)
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby clyde on Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:14 am

Kojip wrote:Loved ones who disappear one by one. The freind who died from pancreatic cancer this past winter. Jaundice. Executions. Corpses in stacks here and there. The two racoons that liquified in our garage last year. The cousin who died in her bed and laid there for weeks in the summer until she burst and the smell alerted the authorities. The grid drawn in violet colored grease pencil on my fathers head to guide the radiation therapist, and the smell of cooked bone. You know... death, what's coming to you. :heya:

.. Not lost days since I won't be here to know the difference. People who have to care for me in the dying process which can be a reeeeal drag. Not what comes next, no more next.

But hey... there is also all the great stuff, like art, and trees, and slingshotting cartoon birds into cartoon pigs in shelters, creme brulee, and a warm October evening.

Yes, it’s true, the First Noble Truth of Suffering, that old age, sickness, and death is real, is true. And it’s true for everyone we care about. And it’s true for you and me.

And yet, as if hanging by a slender thread over an abyss, we reach out and take the wild strawberry, taste it and delight in its fullness.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:50 am

el gatito wrote:
Kojip wrote:...Besides, no one has ever failed death.

And you know this how?

because everybody dies precisely how they die, for pete's sake. Successful dying, sheesh.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:48 am

el gatito wrote:How many hermits of the past, in China or India, who lived alone, reported their own death? Please tell.

Do you have experience of death? If not, then how do you know that what happens to "them" -- is going to happen to you?


They died right? They stopped breathing. That is successfully dying. I am certain that you will successfully die too.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Seeker242 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:41 pm

Kojip wrote:
el gatito wrote:How many hermits of the past, in China or India, who lived alone, reported their own death? Please tell.

Do you have experience of death? If not, then how do you know that what happens to "them" -- is going to happen to you?


They died right? They stopped breathing. That is successfully dying. I am certain that you will successfully die too.


"Successfully dying" is put in context and that isn't the context! You're taking the words out of context! And if you do that, of course it can mean whatever you want it to mean. :)

"But sadly we do attach to words, usually missing what they point at." ~Zen Master Wu Bong.

"Don't attach to words, ok? (laughs)" ~Zen Master Seung Sahn.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:15 pm

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el gatito wrote:How many hermits of the past, in China or India, who lived alone, reported their own death? Please tell.

Do you have experience of death? If not, then how do you know that what happens to "them" -- is going to happen to you?


They died right? They stopped breathing. That is successfully dying. I am certain that you will successfully die too.


"Successfully dying" is put in context and that isn't the context! You're taking the words out of context! And if you do that, of course it can mean whatever you want it to mean. :)

"But sadly we do attach to words, usually missing what they point at." ~Zen Master Wu Bong.

"Don't attach to words, ok? (laughs)" ~Zen Master Seung Sahn.


I do not recall dying successfully to end rebirth in the Bodhisattva vows. It's just my trip, there is aversion of late to advice on dying from specialists in solitary existence . I apologize.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Michaeljc on Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:23 pm

Almost every day –along with recollections of my special people who are now dead
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:14 pm

el gatito wrote:
Kojip wrote:
el gatito wrote:How many hermits of the past, in China or India, who lived alone, reported their own death? Please tell.

Do you have experience of death? If not, then how do you know that what happens to "them" -- is going to happen to you?


They died right? They stopped breathing. That is successfully dying. I am certain that you will successfully die too.

I am not so sure they did, for there is no evidence of that, and that simple moment was the meaning of the first line.

Also, thank you for the certainty so cordially expressed, certainty is a good thing [perhaps].

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."

I tend to believe all that, what is said in this above passage.

Good luck "successfully dying" to you too.

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Thank you, it was expressed with cordial intent. May you die with peace of mind and free of pain. :peace:
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Jok_Hae on Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:42 pm

For whatever reason, the quote from Mr. kitten hit the sweet spot for me:

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."


Just this moment.

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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:47 pm

Jok_Hae wrote:For whatever reason, the quote from Mr. kitten hit the sweet spot for me:

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."


Just this moment.

Thanks.
Don't forget to tell your wife and kid that on your deathbed.

....sorry, stirring it up on this thread. :lol2: funny mood, time to walk away from this key board and stop procrastinating at work.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Jok_Hae on Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:05 pm

Kojip wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote:For whatever reason, the quote from Mr. kitten hit the sweet spot for me:

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."


Just this moment.

Thanks.
Don't forget to tell your wife and kid that on your deathbed.

....sorry, stirring it up on this thread. :lol2: funny mood, time to walk away from this key board and stop procrastinating at work.


hmm, that's a pretty shitty thing to say, friend. This body will die. I think often about how sad that will be for my son to go through.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby PeterB on Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:21 pm

Jok_Hae wrote:For whatever reason, the quote from Mr. kitten hit the sweet spot for me:

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."


Just this moment.

Thanks.

There's no actual contradiction Keith...I find that constant reminders of my death are the very best way to live in just this moment. Those reminders are after all not arising in the past or future.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Jok_Hae on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:01 pm

PeterB wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote:For whatever reason, the quote from Mr. kitten hit the sweet spot for me:

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."


Just this moment.

Thanks.

There's no actual contradiction Keith...I find that constant reminders of my death are the very best way to live in just this moment. Those reminders are after all not arising in the past or future.


I didn't say there was, Peter. Something clicked when I read the quote. And I thanked El Gatito for posting it. That's all. Death is our constant companion and can be effective spur for practice. I get it.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Kojip on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:34 pm

Jok_Hae wrote:
Kojip wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote:For whatever reason, the quote from Mr. kitten hit the sweet spot for me:

Hongzhi Zhenjue said:

"...The field of boundless emptiness is what exits from the very beginning ... In this field birth and death do not appear..."


Just this moment.

Thanks.
Don't forget to tell your wife and kid that on your deathbed.

....sorry, stirring it up on this thread. :lol2: funny mood, time to walk away from this key board and stop procrastinating at work.


hmm, that's a pretty shitty thing to say, friend. This body will die. I think often about how sad that will be for my son to go through.


It was a provocative thing to say. Sorry if I offended. Birth and death are no less true than the boundless field of no birth and no death. Death and grief are inescapable, unless we use practice to whistle past the graveyard. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, it was the drift of some exchanges here maybe. Most posters referring to no birth and no death, are whistling past the graveyard. ... and who can blame them. That is a judgement, I know.

The depth of practice is identical with the depth of loss. This may be a total misuse of the quote, but I think it was Trungpa who referred to practice as "surgery without anesthetic". I can't see a real choice about it.
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Seeker242 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:48 pm

Kojip wrote:
Seeker242 wrote:
Kojip wrote:
el gatito wrote:How many hermits of the past, in China or India, who lived alone, reported their own death? Please tell.

Do you have experience of death? If not, then how do you know that what happens to "them" -- is going to happen to you?


They died right? They stopped breathing. That is successfully dying. I am certain that you will successfully die too.


"Successfully dying" is put in context and that isn't the context! You're taking the words out of context! And if you do that, of course it can mean whatever you want it to mean. :)

"But sadly we do attach to words, usually missing what they point at." ~Zen Master Wu Bong.

"Don't attach to words, ok? (laughs)" ~Zen Master Seung Sahn.


I do not recall dying successfully to end rebirth in the Bodhisattva vows. It's just my trip, there is aversion of late to advice on dying from specialists in solitary existence . I apologize.


No need to apologize. :) To me "dying successfully" means "stop making bad karma before it's too late" and also things like the this "

Let me respectfully remind you,
Life and death are of supreme importance.
Time swiftly passes by and opportunity is lost.
Each of us should strive to awaken.
Awaken! Take heed!
Do not squander your life!

Most people don't realize that death is fast approaching and they go doing all these meaningless things and then are completely shocked when it actually does arrive, even though they had 40,50 or 60 years to see it coming. That is sad and unfortunate. :cry:

As they say in the legal profession "time is of the essence"

<>end rambling <> :)

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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Arjan Dirkse on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:47 pm

I think about Death at times...maybe once a day, sometimes more.

As to the "death is death" debate, can you also say that death is life? And isn't death also not-Death?
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Bob Skank on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:27 am

Arjan Dirkse wrote:As to the "death is death" debate, can you also say that death is life?


No.

Arjan Dirkse wrote:And isn't death also not-Death?


No.

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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby Arjan Dirkse on Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:53 pm

And still the only thing that can conceive of death is something that is alive. Death is purely an affair of the living. To the dead, death is completely non-existent.

Do you watch at a starry night sky and think, "There is only death up there"?
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Re: How often do you think of death?

Postby ana on Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:03 am

Arjan Dirkse wrote:Do you watch at a starry night sky and think, "There is only death up there"?


I do, and I have the opposite feeling, not only: "My God, it's full of stars!", but: it's full of life, and who knows what else. :)
Especially when I have an opportunity to watch it outside the citylights, it's quite a different experience.

About death: I think about it often. There's a quote I like: "Birth and death; we all move between these two unknowns."
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