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Dropping off Body & Mind - Theravada

Postby maaeso on Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:44 pm

I have always like Theravada and Zen. Theravada due to the pali canon and the forest tradition. Zen because of teachers like Dogen and places like Gyobutsuji Zen Monastery in America & Antai-ji in Japan.

Many may know that Ajahn Thanissaro is quite prolific in the Theravada community and in particular the Thai Forest Tradition.

He is an excellent scholar and has written many incredible works.

Lately I heard that he has a secret soft spot for Dogen and enjoys reading Shobogenzo. In particular he thinks:

The fifty-first patriarch was Priest Eihei Dogen. He studied with Priest Tien-t'ung Ju-ching. Once, during late night zazen, Ju-ching told the monks, "Studying Zen is the dropping off of body and mind." Hearing this, the master was suddenly greatly awakened. He went at once to the abbot's room and burned incense. Ju-ching asked him, "Why are you burning incense?" The master answered, "Body and mind have dropped off." Ju-ching said, "Body and mind have dropped off, the dropped-off body and mind." The master said, "This is a temporary ability; you must not approve me without reason." Ju-ching replied, "I am not approving you without reason." The master asked, "Why are you not approving me without reason?" Ju-ching said, "You dropped off body and mind." The master bowed. Ju-ching said, "You have dropped off dropping off."

Is related to Nibbana as understood in the Pali Canon/Theravada.
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Re: Dropping off Body & Mind - Theravada

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:41 pm

"Liking" is good.

Better is to be as deeply as possible adept in the practice(s) of the school you like. Or both schools. Or more.
Actually, "liking" is as shallow as it gets, if there's no more than that. :Namaste:

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Re: Dropping off Body & Mind - Theravada

Postby maaeso on Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:02 am

desert_woodworker wrote:"Liking" is good.

Better is to be as deeply as possible adept in the practice(s) of the school you like. Or both schools. Or more.
Actually, "liking" is as shallow as it gets, if there's no more than that. :Namaste:

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I think he takes it pretty deep ;)
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Re: Dropping off Body & Mind - Theravada

Postby Avisitor on Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:07 am

Please explain dropping off body and mind
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Re: Dropping off Body & Mind - Theravada

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:07 pm

g'morning, Av,

Avisitor wrote:Please explain dropping off body and mind

It is dropping body and mind. It is the dropping away of body and mind, and especially the aftermath of the dropping away. Using everything freely, spontaneously, but absolutely no sense of a body, and definitely no mind.

In Ch'an or Zen Buddhist circles, it happens suddenly (as it happened for Dogen, with his teacher Ju-ching, the teacher he had always looked for).

That's all the explanation that can be given. It's more a description. An "explanation" would have to include all the practice(s) that the awakened person had undergone/undertaken, and all the help he/she had from a teacher and sangha and myriad other cooperating causes and conditions.

Again, it's what happened to/for Dogen. And many others.

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