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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby Spike on Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm

Dan74 wrote:
But for my taste, I like to sink my teeth into some nutrient. So it's GBCF from me, I leave you with the words a more illustrious former member said to me: ...


"I leave you ..." Temporary or definitve leave-taking, may b just from this comment, or bc content on z 4um is jus 2 "litewate" 4'em

GBNF: Gone But Not Forgotten

If this is close, then the "C" means something else, certainly

Or maybe it's a Swiss thing ...

***I think Gregory's expression of the health/direction of this forum was right on. Plus the erudition of his posts, and some other of us ppl, 2, in particular several teachers, contradicts dannyboy ("the pipes are callin' ....But come ye back when summer's in the meadow").
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby bokki on Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:45 pm

Honestly, Gregory, why did you not enter this thread and explain your stance on the very first pages!?
It would have spared us a lot of typing and thinking of zfi.
The thread also produced very concrete ideas by old members and new.
Maybe they are not interesting to you, you are the owner to do as you please.
But why didnt you end this discussion by simply stating your position at the beginning of the thread?
I just had 2 say it.


ps Spike ur 2s & 4s make it difficult 4 me 2 understand....
LOL B :heya:

im reediting my post make myself clear as 2 d question
i posted here in this thread 66 posts, a small sign of my stance bout zfi
18 pages were written, the owner did not start, but could have stopped d questioning
now that it has become obsolete, i agree 2 move on 2 other topics
thnx spike, as always! b
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby Spike on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:03 pm

Maybe because he had absolutely nothing to do with giving rise to any speculation about the status of zfi.
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby [james] on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:44 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:James,
...
Another formal practitioner would always be good to welcome here; I wonder if that is (was?) the writer's status.

rgds,

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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:59 pm

bokki wrote:Honestly, Gregory, why did you not enter this thread and explain your stance on the very first pages!?
It would have spared us a lot of typing and thinking of zfi.
The thread also produced very concrete ideas by old members and new.
Maybe they are not interesting to you, you are the owner to do as you please.
But why didnt you end this discussion by simply stating your position at the beginning of the thread?
I just had 2 say it.


Say what you want friend, here are some good quotes of wisdom which can be integrated in daily life.

The past is already past.
Don’t try to regain it.
The present does not stay.
Don’t try to touch it
From moment to moment.
The future is not come;
Don’t think about it
Beforehand.
Whatever comes to the eye,
Leave it be.
There are no commandments
To be kept,
There’s no filth to be cleansed.
With empty mind really
Penetrated, the dharmas
Have no life.
When you can be like this
You’ve completed
The ultimate attainment.
~Layman P’ang

7.

Now, when you are introduced (to your own intrinsic awareness), the method for entering into it involves three considerations:
Thoughts in the past are clear and empty and leave no traces behind.
Thoughts in the future are fresh and unconditioned by anything.
And in the present moment, when (your mind) remains in its own condition without constructing anything,
awareness, at that moment, in itself is quite ordinary.
And when you look into yourself in this way nakedly (without any discursive thoughts),
Since there is only this pure observing, there will be found a lucid clarity without anyone being there who is the observer;
only a naked manifest awareness is present.
(This awareness) is empty and immaculately pure, not being created by anything whatsoever.
It is authentic and unadulterated, without any duality of clarity and emptiness.
It is not permanent and yet it is not created by anything.
However, it is not a mere nothingness or something annihilated because it is lucid and present.
It does not exist as a single entity because it is present and clear in terms of being many.
(On the other hand) it is not created as a multiplicity of things because it is inseparable and of a single flavor.
This inherent self-awareness does not derive from anything outside itself.
This is the real introduction to the actual condition of things.
~self-liberation through seeing with naked awareness
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:01 pm

[james] wrote:Wondering is always good. Wandering too.


I disagree, only when and if it's functional.
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:21 pm

Marcel,

fukasetsu wrote:
[james] wrote:Wondering is always good. Wandering too.

I disagree, only when and if it's functional.

In America, there is a Sauntering Society, or several of them.

And one of our writers (1817-1862), Henry David Thoreau, was a great saunterer.

Fuki, you show yourself to be quite the Utilitarian! I respect that. I know I don't need to suggest this to you, but please, sir, don't neglect that even the most frivolous-seeming play can be functional. "They say" that the most serious workers require (benefit greatly from) the most elementary play. Why, even "navel-gazing" can seem pretty indulgent and frivolous if one does not appreciate the good reasons for it. :buddha:

:lol2:

Not giving you a hard time... . Just playing!

Oops, this is not Guo Gu's "Play" thread. :blush:

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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:33 pm

You never give me a hard time Joe!
Even the most (apparent) sour words are honey to me. :heya:

But isn't Utilitarianism (?) about happiness which is pleasure minus pain?
If that's so I'm nothing like an Utilitarian, because avoiding this and desiring that (kind of happiness) are the roots of suffering to me.
But perhaps I got the Utilitarian thingy wrong.

What I meant is if wondering isn't functional (in daily life where our brain is for) then it's merely imagination,
which is an aquired habit of humans as far as I can tell.
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby bokki on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:08 pm

Fuki, can i just comment shortly, bcs ur posts r always nice 2 c...
but ill try and answer ur 2 pieces of wisdom, if may, tomorrow, cant type now..
its all little banter between mahayana friends...
avoiding this and desiring that (kind of happiness) are the roots of suffering to me.

i prob dont understand, but it looks like you are avoiding "avoiding this and desiring that"
the roots of suffering are the roots of nirvana
samsara is neither bigger or smaller than nirvana and vice versa
then u say
I disagree, only when and if it's functional.

lol a bit of inconsistency?
only a joke..
I disagree, only when and if its fictional!
c u tomorrow friend
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:44 pm

bokki wrote:c u tomorrow friend
bokki :heya:


perhaps tomorrow on the play thread?
I cant type much now also since Im on the dumbphone instead of pc and night is calling.

goodnight friend :)
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby partofit22 on Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:45 am

Dan74 wrote:Hi Gregory :heya:

Thank you for clearing things up, even if over a dozen pages into the thread and without addressing concerns that were expressed.

Do you garden? If you have the same laissez-faire appeoach, then I guess you get your herbs and veggies from the store. But wild gardens can bee beautiful and this forum does occasionally get some beauties too.

But for my taste, I like to sink my teeth into some nutrient. So it's GBCF from me, I leave you with the words a more illustrious former member said to me:

I lost interest
over time.  There just weren't enough formal Zen students there to hold
my interest, since I'm not interested in general spiritual philosophy
particularly.  I think most Zen students who check out ZFI eventually
reach the same or similar conclusions.  Thus, those with idiosyncratic
individual views came to dominate.  I don't think it's a friendly
place.



partofit22 wrote:
Gregory Wonderwheel wrote:
Linda Anderson wrote:As I understand it, members of this forum took full responsibility for moderation and for the payment of renewal fees.... there was discussion about zfi continuing, or not, and ppl stepped forward. I thought that Carol and Gregory made it clear that they are no longer responsible. So, imo, no one abandoned ship.


NO I have never said I am no longer responsible. I am the person who has continued to approve all the registrations by crosschecking names, IP addresses, and email addresses against entries in the "Stop Forum Spam" website.

Carol transferred the "ownership" and password of the Forum to Michael without talking to me beforehand or asking for my agreement. As one might imagine that this has caused some tension.

I have been observing (lurking) and posting from time to time.

I think the notion of "reviving" is somewhat silly. That's my opinion, because I don't see ZFI as either languishing or dying in a manner that needs reviving. ZFI seems alive and well to me. But perhaps that is because I am not trying to measure by preconceived notions. Perhaps some would consider my standards to be "low." I have always appreciated the organic quality and have no desire to market or advertise and feel no need to increase participation beyond what occurs "naturally" through the participation of the people who find their way here. I see attempts to market or advertise as too close to proselytizing for my tastes.

I am not clear what is behind the idea of "reviving"? What is the need that such an idea is trying to fulfill? What is the perceived lack?

_/|\_
Gregory
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Well, Gregory, this forum wouldn't even be, as it is or as it was, without a desire to revive, to renew, to create something new- The wanting of a renaissance of sorts during what appears to be dark times happens when the conditions to make it take place arise- When something would benefit from a dusting off, be it our backsides (our mind) or an altar or frond of a plant that is in our care or a forum that had become polarized and borderline hostile over time due to neglect .. the occasion to change, to evolve, is eventual- It fulfills our human ability to be the beauty we see and experience each and every day- Nothing is lacking for that to happen obviously because it already has- That doesn't mean that many of us haven't missed Carol's more frequent contributions to the forum or yours-

flutemaker indicated somebody needed to be behind the scenes doing a laundry list of things and now we know that's what you've been doing- It's more than enough for one person to do- Wouldn't you say that's true? Learning this, I think, will ease some of the tension, too- Those with an interest, take an interest -- those without don't-

I'm not a huge fan of war related programming- It's my husband's thing- So once in a while I sit and witness the D Day slaughter on a big screen while squirming and thinking I've seen this all before when in reality I never have- And I learned that I haven't from watching him watch the program as though he'd never viewed it before-

My preferences don't trump his- They aren't more important- But sometimes communicating a disinterest in any shape or form ends in defensiveness unless one's hands are empty-

I think I love people more than I will ever realize-


Dan74, it was a pleasure to hear from you again- Best of luck to you in your new country and the future-
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby partofit22 on Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:09 am

bokki wrote:Honestly, Gregory, why did you not enter this thread and explain your stance on the very first pages!?
It would have spared us a lot of typing and thinking of zfi.
The thread also produced very concrete ideas by old members and new.
Maybe they are not interesting to you, you are the owner to do as you please.
But why didnt you end this discussion by simply stating your position at the beginning of the thread?
I just had 2 say it.


ps Spike ur 2s & 4s make it difficult 4 me 2 understand....
LOL B :heya:

im reediting my post make myself clear as 2 d question
i posted here in this thread 66 posts, a small sign of my stance bout zfi
18 pages were written, the owner did not start, but could have stopped d questioning
now that it has become obsolete, i agree 2 move on 2 other topics
thnx spike, as always! b


Some folks are more hands on and some are not- :) But agree that "if" he had been following this thread that chiming in earlier to clear things up would have been helpful-
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:19 am

Teresa;

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Got to appreciate irony as the pinnacle of humour :lol2:
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby partofit22 on Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:01 am

fukasetsu wrote:Teresa;

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Got to appreciate irony as the pinnacle of humour :lol2:


I don't get the joke! :lol2:
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:11 am

partofit22 wrote:I don't get the joke! :lol2:


First you have zena being a troll,
and then you have Colin who was later banned (those were some heated zfi months remember)
replying "how many forums have youve been thrown off?

See the irony? His name is in the white banned modus so it's so funny to see that crop.

nothing about this case specific, (only 2 posts and the history of Colin on zfi)
but it was a lucky find of mine considering what we talked about.
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby partofit22 on Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:16 am

fukasetsu wrote:
partofit22 wrote:I don't get the joke! :lol2:


First you have zena being a troll,
and then you have Colin who was later banned (those were some heated zfi months remember)
replying "how many forums have youve been thrown off?

See the irony? His name is in the white banned modus so it's so funny to see that crop.

nothing about this case specific, (only 2 posts and the history of Colin on zfi)
but it was a lucky find of mine considering what we talked about.


I'm still puzzed .. :) .. but many jokes have been lost on me- I'm the one in the room going "what did it mean? c'mon, tell me!" while everyone is laughing ..

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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:00 pm

partofit22 wrote:I'm still puzzed .. :) .. but many jokes have been lost on me- I'm the one in the room going "what did it mean? c'mon, tell me!" while everyone is laughing ..

:)


:lol2:

I consider it a talent not to "get" something too :heya:
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby Guo Gu on Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:38 am

hi all,

maybe one way to revive zfi is to have meet ups in different regions of the world. we plan to have one in florida, south east us: /viewtopic.php?f=95&t=11890

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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby bokki on Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:00 pm

i have no idea where 2 place this,
but would u please
try and update zfi forum sftwr??????????????
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Re: Ways of Reviving ZFI as a Zen Buddhist Forum

Postby bokki on Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:10 am

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