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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Jok_Hae on Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:32 pm

I would like to express my gratitude for the teachers that take the time to answer questions here. The internet is a very difficult medium in which to work, but I really appreciate the effort. On a personal level, it is wonderful to see a teacher from my own tradition (ZM Judy Roitman, Kwan Um School of Zen) offering up her wisdom here. I have never used that particular forum, as I have a teacher with whom I work in real life. But I realize that others are not as fortunate to have a good friend nearby, so the internet is second best.

Good luck and thanks for practicing,
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Jok_Hae on Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:59 pm

fukasetsu wrote:
Dark and light sides don't really exist.


Yet Chris, to speak of a middle way creates the very framework to bring light/dark into being (existence). :peace:

Hui Hai wrote:Q: What is meaning of "the Middle Way"?
A: It designates the extremes.

Q: I asked about the Middle Way, so why do you reply that it designates the extremes?
A: The concept of the extremes is derived from that of the middle, and the concept of the middle is derived from that of the extremes. However, if originally there is no extreme, where would the middle come from? Thus, we talk about the Middle Way because we conceive of extremes; therefore, we know that the concepts of the Middle Way and the extremes are derived from each other and that both are impermanent. This is also true of form, feeling, conception, impulse and consciousness.


Good posting, Marcin. Look, now you are the teacher! :rbow:
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Jok_Hae on Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:03 pm

Caodemarte wrote:You might want to find out what Islam actually teaches ( no school of Islam teaches the Fox News version you use in your "teasing"') before you opine on the average Muslim. I would think that the Shobogenzo would be of great interest to Muslim theologians and practioners.


I wish I could have just "liked" this.. I have been thinking about this lately. I realize I know next to nothing about Islam. It's probably time to correct that. Anyway, well said. :peace:
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby zafu on Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:24 pm

I would say keep the Ask a Teacher forum. One caveat though, so long as they treat all questioners with compassion and respect answering in a non judgemental manner demonstrating the humbleness that is inherent in all good teachers.

Otherwise avoid answering at all.
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby lobster on Sun May 31, 2015 3:59 am

I realize I know next to nothing about Islam. It's probably time to correct that. Anyway, well said. :peace:

:hide: Wearing a Niqab would provide some insight into Dervish Ninjitsu.

Sufism is the heart of Islam just as Fox is the populist propaganda from Dharma Hell.

... :rbow: and now back to the removal services ... :rbow:
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 31, 2015 4:17 am

Vote to keep.

Vote for robes (or what have you).

Vote for ritual.

Vote for everything that wakes people up, and that provides a safe setting for that.

Humans, awake or not, are multi-dimensional, as is our formal practice, transmitted compassionately down the centuries and millennia. We are the beneficiaries of great quality-control, in the formation of practices and the establishment of teachers, by compassionate and wise geniuses.

Teachers will not always give you the answers you want.

Hail!

Vote to be grateful.

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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Michaeljc on Sun May 31, 2015 4:21 am

Hell - there is not enough teacher participation as it is :lol2:
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 31, 2015 5:25 am

Serious-sounding adolescent issues! Yes, we are all quaking.

In time -- with luck, for the world -- this too shall pass.

Any putative "Pete's" been unseen in these precincts since last October. Why dig him up?

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What do teachers know about that? Nothing at all.
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby littletsu on Sun May 31, 2015 12:47 pm

I vote for one teacher for every registered user! And remove Anything else discussions, so that I can't get away any more with not having to pretend that I know anything about Zen Buddhism :lol2:
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Caodemarte on Sun May 31, 2015 4:59 pm

I add my vote to your vote for one teacher for one participant! :)
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Meido on Sun May 31, 2015 5:08 pm

Easy way to have one teacher per participant is for everyone to bring their practice to sufficient fruition and inherit the dharma of a good teacher.

So everyone, please hurry up...time's a wastin' :lol2:

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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby fukasetsu on Sun May 31, 2015 9:59 pm

Meido wrote:Easy way to have one teacher per participant is for everyone to bring their practice to sufficient fruition and inherit the dharma of a good teacher.

So everyone, please hurry up...time's a wastin' :lol2:

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Indivisible, like ice melts into water....
Who the teacher, who the student? (ps Joe it's retorical) :PP:

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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:10 am

Fuki,

fukasetsu wrote:Who the teacher, who the student? (ps Joe it's retorical)

Rhetorical, my ...foot.

If you're one, or the other, you'll know it (I should add, "and gratefully, at that").

But the shifu of both of us is the true shifu.

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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby chankin1937 on Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:51 pm

Zen Pete wrote:
I'd like to ask for a democratic vote on removing the 'ask a teacher' section on this forum.


I vote “yes”.
Every post should be assessed on whether or not it makes sense or. as you suggest, answers questions.
By all means let the teachers post, but without claiming any special insight and submit their contributions to the same analysis every contribution deserves.
One day someone might turn up who really understands Zen.
Click the blue button under my avatar and tell me if you think it’s me and does it answer any of your questions?

(Non of the contact details on it work now. As for the contribution, follow the precedent of everyone who has ever read it and don’t bother. :)
Seriously though, with advent of the WWW, I don’t need money to promote it.)
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:57 pm

Heaven forfend! against any such person ever appearing anywhere.

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chankin1937 wrote:One day someone might turn up who really understands Zen.
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby fukasetsu on Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:48 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Fuki,

fukasetsu wrote:Who the teacher, who the student? (ps Joe it's retorical)

Rhetorical, my ...foot.

If you're one, or the other, you'll know it (I should add, "and gratefully, at that").

But the shifu of both of us is the true shifu.

--Joe


You have spoken well, Joe.

What we are together is deathless.
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby Michaeljc on Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:54 am

By all means let the teachers post, but without claiming any special insight


No authentic teacher I know of claims special insight

Words are only indicators of something else that may or may not be going on

How do they smell?

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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:34 am

I don't know why they don't claim "special", particular insight. I certainly sense and assume they've got some. :)

Anyone who has had kensho (seen one's nature) then has a practice that is forever changed by the insight and experience and way of life that awakening brings with it. And any teacher who has taught has seen hundreds of students and interacted with them at all stages and in all phases of development and "formation" (in the spiritual sense), and in crisis. I'd say that this practical experience with people and with the methods of practice conveys and inculcates in teachers very special insight indeed. Just as the practical insight of a military officer on the battlefield in motivating and guiding soldiers develops, and grows, versus the 2-dimensional understanding and reflexes of someone who has only read field-manuals, or never led troops in battle.

I don't put teachers on a pedestal of respect and gratitude that I feel they haven't earned to stand or sit upon. And I'm frankly embarrassed by a little bit of teacher-bashing that I feel is going on around me in some quarters. It's not deserved, I feel, and is just the product of practical inexperience of the teaching situation, and of certain clear conceits. We're fortunate that teachers are here and that they take the time to talk to us and kindly engage with us. They do so even in addition to their duties as Abbots of their practice centers, with students of their own to guide and encourage, as Roshis of their sanghas.

Thanks!!

Many, many bows to them, and with them,

:Namaste:,

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Michaeljc wrote:
By all means let the teachers post, but without claiming any special insight

No authentic teacher I know of claims special insight
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Re: Remove ' ask a teacher' section....

Postby lobster on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:21 am

Caodemarte wrote:I add my vote to your vote for one teacher for one participant! :)


Only one teacher :blush: I don't think it will be enough in my case. I need all the help I can get :ghug:

:p: Dear Buddhas, please provide more teachers, more learning, extra Zennies, more attractive cushions, a better walking environment and anything else ya got :p:

Yours hopefully :rbow:
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