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Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w said

Postby organizational on Thu May 18, 2017 6:23 pm

Dear teachers,

i've ask this question at the forum but desert_woodworker tell me to ask you.

This is important for me.

Can one`s teacher be his enemy?

Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy?

Cause, I say so.

My meditation has says so.

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for your answers

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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby organizational on Sat May 20, 2017 5:00 pm

I'm Sorry to think like that.

I take my words back.

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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby jundo on Sun May 21, 2017 6:44 am

Hi

I have not read the full exchange, but:

If you mean "if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him" kind of enemy, of course!

However, this is an " enemy" one bests in peace and harmony. The sharp sword of Manjusri does not cut apart, but brings together that never divided from the start. The razor's edge of every action, past and future, right and wrong, right and left all meet and brought to life.

Huike is the Dharma Frienemy.

Gassho J

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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby organizational on Sun May 21, 2017 9:25 am

from today's dailyzen:
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i follow dailyzen daily,


Range upon range
of distant peaks,
facing cliffs,
pushing against barriers;
if you linger in thought,
holding back your energy, 
you will get stuck.

- Yuan-wu (1063-1135)


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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby jundo on Sun May 21, 2017 10:52 am

Okay, read the thread as best I can understand.

Turks, Greeks, Kurds, Isis, Syrians, Americans and everyone else are all one. There should be no hope for violence, even if war is sometimes an unavoidable fact. However, war and violence should not be wished for.

Manjusri's sword brings all peoples together.

Do you know that, if not a South Indian, some people say that Bodhidharma was a Turk?

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=1U5 ... rk&f=false

Anyway, when Huike cuts off his arm, what do you have? The sound of "one hand clapping", of course! ;)

But do you know that the whole story is made up, a myth, a product of peoples' imaginations, never happened (same for most, if not all, of the stories around Bodhidharma!) At best, it was a story stolen about a whole different (not even Zenny) Buddhist priest whose arm was cut off by robbers, nothing to do with Huike, Alan Cole's wonderful new book discusses why that story is likely apocryphal (for many reasons, including that it began as a very different story of standing in the snow).

Bottom of page 44 here ...

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=BMg ... ow&f=false

Pages 93 amd 94 here ...

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=BMg ... ow&f=false

So what? If the story has meaning to you, that is enough.

But be gentle, don't do violence.

Gassho, J

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PS - What are mess is that thread, and so many of the conversations about Zen Practice and Teaching here. You folks need to focus, get serious, and settle down a bit. I don't know what you folks are on about half the time, but I can't recognize anything very centered.
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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby organizational on Sun May 21, 2017 10:19 pm

yes, sir.i understand you.

My way of thinking is not philosophical i mean not like nagarjuna such as.

Mine is more like a reflection on the mirror.

What can i do to improve my mind set?
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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby jundo on Mon May 22, 2017 3:54 pm

organizational wrote:yes, sir.i understand you.

My way of thinking is not philosophical i mean not like nagarjuna such as.

Mine is more like a reflection on the mirror.

What can i do to improve my mind set?


Hi,

I would think that the problem is some serious confusion on your part regarding the point and direction of your Practice, and that you should work with a teacher. It should be someone close to you, that you can meet regularly in person, because of language issues and the need to really talk with you and try to understand.

I would advice that you should focus on Zen training, and be rather conservative in your practice. Frankly, I do not understand what you are into, or what this "white" practice is. Sorry that I cannot help you more, but it is not how I Practice.

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Re: Can one say the zen patriarch huike is my enemy? d_w sai

Postby organizational on Fri May 26, 2017 10:38 am

The song of cicadas in the branches,
the voice of water under rocks.
Rain last night washed away
the soot and dust.
Don't say there's nothing special
in my grass hut,
come and I'll share with you
a window full of cool air.

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