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To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby another_being on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:24 pm

Shambala publishers printed in October of 1997 their Shambala Dragon Edition of Zen Master Seung Sahn's The Compass of Zen.

To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Omoi Otoshi on Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:18 am

In my experience sometimes after Zazen the direction becomes clear, sometimes there is no direction at all from Zazen, sometimes the need for a direction drops away and you feel fine with the way things are and sometimes you feel confident that any direction will be the right direction! :)

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Seeker242 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:13 am

another_being wrote:Shambala publishers printed in October of 1997 their Shambala Dragon Edition of Zen Master Seung Sahn's The Compass of Zen.

To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Jage on Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:47 am

I think the compass of Zen points to yourself. :rbow:
If you take care of yourself you are doing it to others.
Thats the only way it is. :rbow:
Understanding yourself is the only way to understand others. :rbow:

An Extract from "The Compass of Zen"
BY ZEN MASTER SEUNG SAHN
When the Buddha was alive, he only gave talks about the Dharma. He never taught sutras, or gave special mantras, or taught the recitation of his name. People would listen to his talks and then return to their homes to meditate. They would sit in meditation under trees or up on high rocks.
The most important thing that characterised their practice is that they simply looked inside, very deeply inside, to find their true nature. This is how the Buddha's first students attained his teaching, preserved it, and passed it down to us. This is how they attained their own nature and truth. This is how they attained the correct way and correct life. After all, the path of meditation was the way that the Buddha himself had attained enlightenment.
So if you want to practice Buddhism, then you should never become attached to any speech or words. Do not become attached to any one technique. That is the first course in the Buddha's teaching.


No sutras, no mantras. No attachment to any speech or words. :)X
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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby bubuyaya on Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:03 am

Jage wrote:1, I think the compass of Zen points to yourself.
2, Understanding yourself is the only way to understand others.
3, The most important thing that characterised their practice is that they simply looked inside, very deeply inside, to find their true nature.
4, No sutras, no mantras. No attachment to any speech or words.


1, Yes, yourself.
2, 3, That may be.
For right zazen, people need that right belief.
The right belief is the most important thing.
4, For that right belief, people must study Sutras, need solve whatever doubts by asking or by deep understanding.

Remember, Huineng Partriach's case.
Huineng had that right belief, by Diamond Sutra.
He didn't do any formative practice.
See Ananda's case also, Ananda also had caught that right belief at that moment, see that poem.

Without right belief no real zazen is possible.
Because real zazen is for people to be themself, Buddhas.

Accordng onto the rooted right belief, each individual's adjusted zazen spontaneously begins.
There is nothing to throw away, so think freely to understand rightly.
Right thinking is one of the right path.

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby bubuyaya on Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:35 am

bubuyaya wrote:
Jage wrote:1, I think the compass of Zen points to yourself.
2, Understanding yourself is the only way to understand others.
3, The most important thing that characterised their practice is that they simply looked inside, very deeply inside, to find their true nature.
4, No sutras, no mantras. No attachment to any speech or words.


1, Yes, yourself.
2, 3, That may be.
For right zazen, people need that right belief.
The right belief is the most important thing.
4, For that right belief, people must study Sutras, need solve whatever doubts by asking or by deep understanding.

Remember, Huineng Partriach's case.
Huineng had that right belief, by Diamond Sutra.
He didn't do any formative practice.
See Ananda's case also, Ananda also had caught that right belief at that moment, see that poem.

Without right belief no real zazen is possible.
Because real zazen is for people to be themself, Buddhas.

Accordng onto the rooted right belief, each individual's adjusted zazen spontaneously begins.
There is nothing to throw away, so think freely to understand rightly.
Right thinking is one of the right path.



When right belief rooted,
then people drive spontaneously themselves
where to use mind, thinking and meanings or to cut away mind, thinking and meanings to use again them freely.

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby another_being on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:22 pm

Nice responses. When I conceived this question its answer was immediate -- straight!

After some days of thought many more answers came to me.
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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Gregory Wonderwheel on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:33 pm

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Nonin on Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:52 pm

I do get the point, Gregory!

So did Zen Master Dogen, who wrote: "Turn the light and shine it inward to illuminate the self."

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Bob Skank on Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:14 am

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby Omoi Otoshi on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:37 am

Ah, we're playing that game! :lol2:

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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby another_being on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:50 pm

:)

I read this quote yesterday and it brought me back here.

“The problem is whether we are determined to go in the direction of compassion or not. If we are, then can we reduce the suffering to a minimum? If I lose my direction, I have to look for the North Star, and I go to the north. That does not mean I expect to arrive at the North Star. I just want to go in that direction.”
― Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace


One thing I realized in pondering this question is that there isn't one answer, though I became a little enamored with my seemingly clever reply. :)

One could also say:

"compassion"
"inward"
"center"
"ground"
"ten directions"
*silence*
*raises fist*

Which is correct? What is the North Star? Enough words, enough questions. It's Friday!
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Re: To what direction does the Compass of Zen point?

Postby another_being on Wed May 16, 2012 8:50 pm

To add just a little more and apologize for starting this thread. :)

Zen Master Seung Sahn's pointing: Only don't know.

christopher recently posted a Dharma Gem from Bob O'Hearn's transliteration of the Song of Freedom (Shodoka). A few lines say:

"Just keep walking -- if anyone asks directions, point to the heart.
Yours and theirs are not two. Looking elsewhere, it's completely missed."


Zen Master Seung Sahn wraps up Compass of Zen with the following:

"I hope from moment to moment you only go straight, don't know, which is clear like space, try, try, try for ten thousand years, nonstop, get enlightenment and save all beings from suffering."

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