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Re: The Other (Forgotten?) Side of Compassion

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:07 pm
by bokki
Sir, u doubt, or u r sure?
i thought i offered 3 examples.
lol, you must hold a stalk of grass in your mouth, thats not funny?
why did zhou laugh?
but, ok, lets 4get that.

it would be nice tho,
if u could wright
a few paragraphs about
ur idea of simp.. joy
thank you Joe
nice thread.

yes i c now, sry to oftopic here.
b

Re: The Other (Forgotten?) Side of Compassion

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:39 pm
by desert_woodworker
b.,

bokki wrote:Sir, u doubt, or u r sure?
i thought i offered 3 examples.

I'd say, ask a Rinzai teacher. Meido Roshi, for example.

bokki wrote:lol, you must hold a stalk of grass in your mouth, thats not funny?

Sympathetic joy is feeling happiness when one notes that another person is happy. In some schools, this is undertaken as a deliberate practice while one is not yet awake; otherwise, it is simply a part of the natural irrepressible Human response when a person is awake.

bokki wrote:why did zhou laugh?

I give up: Why?
(But you'll find no resolutions to koans this way).

bokki wrote:it would be nice tho,
if u could wright
a few paragraphs about
ur idea of simp.. joy

See above. And, see the OP (= Original Post; and some posts after that which are on-topic).

bokki wrote:thank you Joe
nice thread.

Glad to post about something that's been tickling me, puzzling me, or astonishing me. I do this from time to time, as in sharing. Occasionally -- more rarely -- I ask a question.

bokki wrote:yes i c now, sry to oftopic here.

It happens. And, it's a free country (well, in some countries). :heya:

--Joe

Re: The Other (Forgotten?) Side of Compassion

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:10 pm
by bokki
“that stone Buddha deserves all the
birdshit it gets
I wave my skinny arms like a tall
flower in the wind”
― Ikkyu, Crow with No Mouth


lol sir it can even get funnier, i can post them..
but, if sympathetic joy is d happiness in others happiness
is that not a bit...2 much?
compassion is like feeling sry 4 d kitten
joy is playing with it
being it
compassion is a cure
joy is d result

thnk u Joe

Re: The Other (Forgotten?) Side of Compassion

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:39 pm
by desert_woodworker
b.,

This happens to be a very old topic, from Archaic Buddhism.

"Sympathetic Joy" is one of the "Stations of the Buddha", or the Four 'Immeasurables' (because of their importance in an awakened person).

These four are the Brahma-viharas; or, the Four Abodes of a Buddha; or, The Four Immeasurables; or, the Four Stations of a Buddha; or the Four Dwellings of a Buddha). "Buddha" means an awakened person.

In Sanskrit, they are: apramāṇa; in Pāli, appamaññā.

The Brahma-viharas are:

    o loving-kindness or benevolence
    o compassion
    o sympathetic (or empathetic) joy
    o equanimity
These inhere or feature naturally in the awakened person (say, a bodhisattva), and arise to be expressed in actions made in seamless and spontaneous natural response to circumstances, events, and beings.

Some schools however prescribe them as deliberate and intentional practices (exercises... ) for persons who have not yet ever awakened.

That's what I'd say about this.

:Namaste:

--Joe

Re: The Other (Forgotten?) Side of Compassion

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:04 pm
by TTT
This is about this topic.



Compassion Vs. competition.


H.E Khandrol Rinpoche is Dharma teacher and lama in this you tube video.

Great stuff (Dharma).

Re: The Other (Forgotten?) Side of Compassion

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:49 pm
by desert_woodworker
Further, regarding this other (forgotten?) side of compassion, Edward Conze provides
a lengthy section on Sympathetic Joy in his Buddhist Thought In India (1962; 1967).

Here's a bit (p. 88) I select to quote:

    "When we can be happy with the world in its brief intervals of worldly happiness,
    then this is a test by which we can know that we have overcome in our hearts
    the cruelty which may so easily masquerade as pity."
--Joe