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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby TTT on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:54 am

Caodemarte wrote:As I understand it, Buddha Natute in Buddhism is not really a potential or a cosmic principle in Buddhism, although these terms may used be as similes as the Reeves quote says. Buddha Nature is not a thing. It is your nature. It is the nature of the afflictions. The water in the waves is not different from the waves or the waves from the water. Perspectives may shift from focusing on the waves to focusing on the depth of the ocean, but the water does not change.


This is what he means?
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby Linda Anderson on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:58 am

hello TTT.... happy to see you again! :heya:

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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby TTT on Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:02 pm

Hello Linda.
Nice to see you and a good foto too!

I dont know how to do with the fotos, the avatar. Mine are to big, they have the wrong proportions and have to much information in them.

Maybe i can change em in time.

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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby macdougdoug on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:20 pm

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macdougdoug wrote:
I'm far from knowledgeable re the Lotus sutra, but methinks it does touch upon the idea of 'skilful means' ie. that what is spoken by the buddhas should not be given definitive form as real things.


What do you mean?


"Ch. 3, A Parable – The Buddha teaches a parable in which a father uses the promise of various toy carts to get his children out of a burning house.[59] Once they are outside, he gives them all one large cart to travel in instead. This symbolizes how the Buddha uses the Three Vehicles: Arhatship, Pratyekabuddhahood and Samyaksambuddhahood, as skillful means to liberate all beings – even though there is only one vehicle.[60] The Buddha also promises Sariputra that he will attain Buddhahood." (from wikipedia lotus sutra)

I was referring to the above for example.
Skillful or expedient means is all about saying whatever it takes to lead the person you're talking to in the right direction.
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby Caodemarte on Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:30 pm

macdougdoug wrote:
"Ch. 3, A Parable – The Buddha teaches a parable in which a father uses the promise of various toy carts to get his children out of a burning house.[59] Once they are outside, he gives them all one large cart to travel in instead. This symbolizes how the Buddha uses the Three Vehicles: Arhatship, Pratyekabuddhahood and Samyaksambuddhahood, as skillful means to liberate all beings – even though there is only one vehicle.[60] The Buddha also promises Sariputra that he will attain Buddhahood." (from wikipedia lotus sutra)

I was referring to the above for example.
Skillful or expedient means is all about saying whatever it takes to lead the person you're talking to in the right direction.

Could I add that the principles of right speech apply to the idea of skillful means? One cannot deliberately deceive. You cannot lie, what you say must be true and useful, which means it must be something that can be understood at the level of the listener. Think how we teach small children with very simple ideas that are not false, just made more expansive and subtle over time. These rather dull children get their toy cart, it is just more marvelous than they could originally conceive. There is a vehicle or yana to help us get to the other shore. It is just greater than we can understand or expect. The Buddha or the Bodhisattva or the father in the parable are not depicted as liars.
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby fukasetsu on Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:49 pm

macdougdoug wrote: even though there is only one vehicle.[60]


Mac,

Nothing new but wanted to share this article regarding the "one" vehicle,
as we are humans (and possible ex-gods) I sometimes notice how we can be so "full" regarding our liberation or buddha-nature
I know Buddhist who get vexated once you mention divinity, sure it's not our path but I have plenty of christian or other religious friends and I think it's best if we all just "work together"
Sorry should have been a new topic perhaps but I don't feel like it.

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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby Caodemarte on Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:24 pm

fukasetsu wrote:
Mac,

Nothing new but wanted to share this article regarding the "one" vehicle,
as we are humans (and possible ex-gods) I sometimes notice how we can be so "full" regarding our liberation or buddha-nature
I know Buddhist who get vexated once you mention divinity, sure it's not our path but I have plenty of christian or other religious friends and I think it's best if we all just "work together"
Sorry should have been a new topic perhaps but I don't feel like it.

http://bodhi.sofiatopia.org/buddhayana.htm


Colorful, but really weird stuff!
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby fukasetsu on Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:25 pm

Caodemarte wrote:Colorful, but really weird stuff!


What's weird Cao?
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby Caodemarte on Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:29 pm

fukasetsu wrote:
Caodemarte wrote:Colorful, but really weird stuff!


What's weird Cao?


The link you give leads me to a strange diagram and pages with a very odd take on Buddhist history and Buddhist teachings. But there are lots of colors!
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby fukasetsu on Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:31 pm

Caodemarte wrote:
fukasetsu wrote:
Caodemarte wrote:Colorful, but really weird stuff!


What's weird Cao?


The link you give leads me to a strange diagram and a very odd take on Buddhist history and Buddhist teachings. But there are lots of colors!


That's weird, to me it's aligned with everything I was ever taught regarding Mahayana and the vehicles.
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby Caodemarte on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:16 am

fukasetsu wrote:
Caodemarte wrote:
fukasetsu wrote:
Caodemarte wrote:Colorful, but really weird stuff!


What's weird Cao?


The link you give leads me to a strange diagram and a very odd take on Buddhist history and Buddhist teachings. But there are lots of colors!


That's weird, to me it's aligned with everything I was ever taught regarding Mahayana and the vehicles.


Be assured that I find many things weird and that many find me weird. :hugs:
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Re: Gene Reeves on the Concept of Buddha-nature

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:22 am

:heya:

Funny, here everyone thinks I'm normal and I keep thinking "How can they not tell" :lol2:
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