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Re: Rumi

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:33 pm

Thanks for sharing Joe.

It reminds me of Kwan Um and Seung Sahn's zen circle which was my first introduction with Zen Buddhism.
Book-wise I mean.

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Re: Rumi

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:43 pm

I'd say Sheng Yen's description for practitioners has the advantage of being accurate in experience, and is very simple in outline:

    o Scattered Mind
    o Unified Mind
    o No Mind
Really the bare-bones of practice outcome(s), if one takes it far. Where, again, "far" means coming to realize where one stands right now, in reality.

And the miracle, again, too, is that this can be done.

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Re: Rumi

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:53 pm

I wasn't comparing Sir, just remembered it and found it to be a nice notation in relation to their being so many expedients around to match the needs of sentience.

Way I see it currently is, when ones image of himself/world is distorted it results in distorted behaviour or "character"
When ones vision is not distorted ones True Nature as a Human Being functions in all clarity. funny thing about it is that it requires no effort, its simply alive and responding to each situation quite ordinary. The expedients of mind isnt perse necessary, either distorded or natural.
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Re: Rumi

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:17 pm

howdy again, Marcel,

fukasetsu wrote:I wasn't comparing Sir,

Roger that. I think the two are nicely complimentary. One of them just adds extraneous but interesting information that a practitioner does not need.

fuki wrote:When ones vision is not distorted ones True Nature as a Human Being functions in all clarity. funny thing about it is that it requires no effort, its simply alive and responding to each situation quite ordinary.

The degree to which this is true always has the potent potential to astonish everyone who comes suddenly to realize it with certainty and genuinely, such as through Zen Buddhist practice with a qualified teacher and the sangha surrounding that teacher. People clap their hands! People exclaim at the emptiness, and stop-ed-ness, of everything! If they speak at all... . And people immediately uncover and recover their original human inheritances, and use them utterly freely. Not enough can ever be said to convey an inkling of much of this.

Hail!, the miracle of the truth of things (i.e., a.k.a., "The Dharma").

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Re: Rumi

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:25 pm

Very inspirational as ever Joe :)

I bid you goodnight, sleep is calling.
gracias.
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Re: Rumi

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:32 pm

fukasetsu wrote:Very inspirational as ever Joe :)

I bid you goodnight, sleep is calling.
gracias.
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Don't make Morpheus work overtime: submit!

Night-night,

'til the morrow.

Rumi can wait.

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Re: Rumi

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:31 am

A report from Rumi's Caravan... a poetry feast tonight.

After a few intro Rumi poems, the note was found ... the event is unscripted... poem after poem arise and follow spontaneously from the readers ... tonight, the agony and ecstasy of the times was held and celebrated with poetry and song....

here's a wondrous sample.... it's zen on the ground to me:

Sorrow everywhere. Slaughter everywhere. If babies
are not starving someplace, they are starving
somewhere else. With flies in their nostrils.
But we enjoy our lives because that's what God wants.
Otherwise the mornings before summer dawn would not
be made so fine. The Bengal tiger would not
be fashioned so miraculously well. The poor women
at the fountain are laughing together between
the suffering they have known and the awfulness
in their future, smiling and laughing while somebody
in the village is very sick. There is laughter
every day in the terrible streets of Calcutta,
and the women laugh in the cages of Bombay.
If we deny our happiness, resist our satisfaction,
we lessen the importance of their deprivation.
We must risk delight. We can do without pleasure,
but not delight. Not enjoyment. We must have
the stubbornness to accept our gladness in the ruthless
furnace of this world. To make injustice the only
measure of our attention is to praise the Devil.
If the locomotive of the Lord runs us down,
we should give thanks that the end had magnitude.
We must admit there will be music despite everything.
We stand at the prow again of a small ship
anchored late at night in the tiny port
looking over to the sleeping island: the waterfront
is three shuttered cafés and one naked light burning.
To hear the faint sound of oars in the silence as a rowboat
comes slowly out and then goes back is truly worth
all the years of sorrow that are to come.
Jack Gilbert


The deep parts of my life pour onward,
as if the river shores were opening out.
It seems that things are more like me now,
That I can see farther into paintings.
I feel closer to what language can't reach.
With my senses, as with birds, I climb
into the windy heaven, out of the oak,
in the ponds broken off from the sky
my falling sinks, as if standing on fishes.
Rainer Maria Rilke
Not last night,
not this morning;
Melon flowers bloomed.
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Re: Rumi

Postby TTT on Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:53 am

Intresting!
I was with my mother at a book festival the other day. She bought a book by Rilke.
How did you like the poem by her Linda?

The one you post is good, but most of em, from the book, is a about "i" and/or "ego".
There is meny of this Romantik poets from the 1700 - centualry thet are like that.
"Heart" and "sorrow" - why did she leave my, etc..

Rumi is about love!
Love of creation an god.
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Re: Rumi

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:52 pm

hi TTT,
good to see you again. I like the poem by Rilke... I've always liked him... a mystic too. Funny to say "like" ... he speaks of things we all know, just like a good poet does. Yes, when Rumi speaks of love... it's a different octave. it is divine and vast.

here's another one that I have in my files...

My eyes already touch the sunny hill,
going far ahead of the road I have begun.
So we are grasped by what we cannot grasp;
it has its inner light, even from a distance—
and changes us, even if we do not reach it,
into something else, which, hardly sensing it, we already are;
a gesture waves us on, answering our own wave . . .
but what we feel is the wind in our faces.
~Rainer Maria Rilke~
The Book of Hours


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Re: Rumi

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:12 pm

Linda Anderson wrote:
My eyes already touch the sunny hill,
going far ahead of the road I have begun.
So we are grasped by what we cannot grasp;
it has its inner light, even from a distance—
and changes us, even if we do not reach it,
into something else, which, hardly sensing it, we already are;
a gesture waves us on, answering our own wave . . .
but what we feel is the wind in our faces.
~Rainer Maria Rilke~
The Book of Hours


linda


Thanks Linda, I never seen that one before.
I like what's engraved on his tombstone;

German;
Rose, oh reiner Widerspruch, Lust,
Niemandes Schlaf zu sein unter soviel
Lidern.

Dutch;
Roos, oh zuivere tegenspraak, het genot,
niemands slaap te zijn onder zoveel
oogleden.

English;
Rose, oh pure contradiction, [the] craving,
to be no one's sleep under so many eyelids

(I just translated it from German freely)

It's like Rumi indeed, what some would call "Christ-consciousness" in his enviroment, eventhough he wanted nothing to do with anyone explaining reality, not from religion or natural science.
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Re: Rumi

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:28 pm

that tombstone is as good as it gets... if we take away the good and gets... sweetness in that contradiction
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Re: Rumi

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:31 pm

Linda Anderson wrote:... sweetness in that contradiction


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Re: Rumi

Postby TTT on Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:28 am

Linda Anderson wrote:hi TTT,
good to see you again. I like the poem by Rilke... I've always liked him... a mystic too. Funny to say "like" ... he speaks of things we all know, just like a good poet does. Yes, when Rumi speaks of love... it's a different octave. it is divine and vast.

here's another one that I have in my files...

My eyes already touch the sunny hill,
going far ahead of the road I have begun.
So we are grasped by what we cannot grasp;
it has its inner light, even from a distance—
and changes us, even if we do not reach it,
into something else, which, hardly sensing it, we already are;
a gesture waves us on, answering our own wave . . .
but what we feel is the wind in our faces.
~Rainer Maria Rilke~
The Book of Hours




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Great poem.
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Re: Rumi

Postby lobster on Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:25 am

Great poems everyone :dance:

Here are some not-Rumi :Namaste:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/zenpoetry.html


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