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Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:11 pm

Which translation of the Dokkodo is more or less accurately expressing the original Japanese?

For example, the 1st line by Giichiro Ikeda reads, "1. I never act contrary to traditional morality", when another translation from wikipedia reads, "1. Accept everything just the way it is", and yet another one reads, "1. In no way should one act contrary to the great future you have before you" { http://www.hyoho.com/Hyoho6.html }.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby Meido on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:01 pm

There's an attempt on this page to unpack 一 世々の道をそむく事なし which may be useful:

http://euro-synergies.hautetfort.com/ar ... kkodo.html
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Meido wrote:There's an attempt on this page to unpack 一 世々の道をそむく事なし which may be useful:

http://euro-synergies.hautetfort.com/ar ... kkodo.html


Thank you. You responded within 50 minutes from the original post, while I expected it would be in two hours. I have to make corrections to my prediction algorithm. It appears that you received this post notification directly through the 3rd (enhanced) astral channel, bypassing the slow 2nd one?
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:01 pm

Meido wrote:http://euro-synergies.hautetfort.com/archive/2014/07/28/miyamoto-musashi-s-dokkodo.html


The possible reading “accepting things as they are” reminded me of the Bodhidharma's "Two Entries", specifically of the 1st part of the four-fold "Entry by Practice", being "Accepting Adversity".

Taking into account that there are a couple of portraits of Bodhidharma by Musashi.

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby Meido on Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:12 pm

Yes, that one in particular is a famous painting. Usually Bodhidharma is not painted face-forward like that. It's the Bodhidharma painting of a swordsman.

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:50 pm

Meido wrote: painting of a swordsman

To continue.

Yesterday, I had to place 4 portraits next to one another, and investigate.

Hakuin's self portrait, Hakuin's Daruma, Musashi's self portrait, Musashi's Daruma.

Actually, there is a bit more than the four, but let's try to place here at least four.

My, say, "meditation" was aimed at "resolving" your "of a swordsman"... that means, created by a swordsman, or... depicting a swordsman?

Ha-ha-ha, all of a sudden things got clear! Musashi's Daruma -- THAT'S the real Musashi's self portrait, while Musashi's self portrait is just... "it's just a Musashi's self portrait". :)
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:54 pm

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:59 pm

Now, a test for all.

Look closely at the eyes as painted, comparing the following two: 1. Hakuin's self portrait, 2. Musashi's Daruma.

Now what?..

I am waiting.

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby Meido on Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:21 pm

Just for fun:

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby flutemaker on Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:49 pm

Meido sensei:

Here { viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11743&p=186887#p186887 } you say that,
Meido wrote:... situations that are fearful or difficult, i.e. to which one has strong aversion, can be entered willingly and repeatedly with one's whole body ...


If we accept the reading “accepting things as they are” of the 1st percept, then how one enters situations that are fearful or difficult? Without intention to change the situation (and "adapt" oneself), or with the intention of actively interfering with the situation?

I want to discuss an example where a pack of aggressive stray dogs is about to attack an unarmed person.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo

Postby Meido on Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:14 pm

flutemaker wrote:If we accept the reading “accepting things as they are” of the 1st percept, then how one enters situations that are fearful or difficult?


In the beginning: by entering them anyway.

flutemaker wrote:Without intention to change the situation (and "adapt" oneself), or with the intention of actively interfering with the situation?


If we are talking about Zen practice, adapting to or according with conditions doesn't mean one lacks all intention, or that we should resign ourselves to passively accepting circumstances. It means acting freely without self-reference and fixation. The important thing to discover is what "enter situations" means in the practice of someone who has awakened and is training to function freely according to that recognition.

The words "with one's whole body" carry some meaning in terms of that practice, which need to be picked up in person from a teacher.

flutemaker wrote:I want to discuss an example where a pack of aggressive stray dogs is about to attack an unarmed person.


This a problem where you walk around?

I'm not dog expert. But I'd say understand dog behavior, and try friendship (food). Otherwise, carry pepper spray.

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