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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:00 am

Marcel,

Why does he look like a "felon"? (sorry; maybe it's just the photographer's STYLE, above, Fuki). --Joe :lol2:

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Larry on Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:50 am

Emptiness is a great mirror :lol2: :heya:
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby TTT on Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:48 am

Dont know.
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby bokki on Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:06 pm

it is very nice 2 c u
im overdue 2 answer beautiful posts here on zfi
but this 1 came out and ill b short

Emptiness is a great mirror :lol2: :heya:


now, how did a great mirror equate itself with emptiness?
lol,
and whose image is d great mirror holding
within emptiness?
lol, l..
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:59 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:Marcel,

Why does he look like a "felon"? (sorry; maybe it's just the photographer's STYLE, above, Fuki). --Joe :lol2:

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:lol2:

I have many faces too Joe, depending on conditions.
Sometimes I have a look (thus have I heared) which would make Charles Manson shit his pants
and sometimes I look like a cute kitty, it's nothing on purpose.
Only when aware of playing a role as a human do I look at ppl in a warming way, both happy and angry ppl equally.
And the "angry" are always shocked when I do, I wouldn't say it lights up their day, but it does cause a non-computing moment ;)

Larry wrote:Emptiness is a great mirror :lol2: :heya:


Larry!!!

:) :heya: :daisy: :ghug: :)
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:03 pm

Larry wrote:Emptiness is a great mirror :lol2: :heya:


:heya: :lol2:

(((Larry))) :hugs: :daisy:
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Larry on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:21 am

Hi bokki....Nice to meet you :) Robert Adams was extremely clean, clear, empty. In him we can glimpse ourselves. I'm sure Fuki will back me up....wearing his old Hindu hat :lol2:
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:29 pm

Larry wrote:Hi bokki....Nice to meet you :) Robert Adams was extremely clean, clear, empty. In him we can glimpse ourselves. I'm sure Fuki will back me up....wearing his old Hindu hat :lol2:


The power of Christ compels you!

Sorry wrong hat, I should really label them one of these days :lol2:

I'm with you Larry beyond the [thinking] mind of with and without :daisy:
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby desert_woodworker on Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:44 pm

Larry wrote:Emptiness is a great mirror :lol2: :heya:

Less fragile and more unbreakable, too (than glass).

Here's Joe ready to install the new improved mirror in a famous telescope. Note that the mirror does not reflect Joe at all.

This doesn't mean that Joe is necessarily a vampire. It's just that a mirror reflects only what is really there.

--Joe

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:59 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:This doesn't mean that Joe is necessarily a vampire. It's just that a mirror reflects only what is really there.

--Joe

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Hence it's called "emptiness" for it simply isn't as it appears to be. Its no negation of appearances but only a negation of what we make of it with our "minds" form is emptiness is a partial recognition, emptiness is also form. Thanks for the demonstration Joe, great picture.
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:58 pm

 “By reason, you will achieve nothing. It then remains on the level of mind, and the mind is very clever. The mind is the Shadow of Shaitan, as the Persian proverb goes. If the Shaitan has yielded, the whole barrier is gone. But for the complete surrender one needs more than that; there is not only the Mind, but the Will and the Character to be surrendered too.”
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:03 pm

“As we go through our trials and tribulations, outer circumstances seem to be exquisitely put together specifically to test each part of our realization. These trials and tribulations will also occur from the inside. Your unconscious at some point will start to reveal itself. In the unawakened person, the unconscious never fully comes into conscious awareness, but with awakening our means of suppression and denial are either torn apart completely or wounded so severely that we can’t repress as much. The unconscious elements of our mind come into conscious awareness, and that is another kind of trial. What’s being asked of you is to meet all of that inner material from the standpoint of divine being, from the standpoint of eternity – to meet it, to understand it, to resolve it. That may sound quite easy, but when it’s actually happening it’s a little more gritty and real than the description suggests.

You could think of these inward and outward trials as a form of purification. You’re purifying the vehicle: body and mind, the same body and mind that you woke up out of when you awakened. Now this vehicle has to undergo its own purification so spirit can fully embody your humanity.”

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby partofit22 on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:30 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Larry wrote:Emptiness is a great mirror :lol2: :heya:

Less fragile and more unbreakable, too (than glass).

Here's Joe ready to install the new improved mirror in a famous telescope. Note that the mirror does not reflect Joe at all.

This doesn't mean that Joe is necessarily a vampire. It's just that a mirror reflects only what is really there.

--Joe

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Is that because the mirror is catching only so much because of the way its shaped or something to do with magnification?
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:33 pm

Teresa, fictional character (user experience) aka self-image

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:41 pm

“If we have listened to many learned masters and received deep instructions, have studied a few sutras and tantras,
without ever applying them —‘Oh how pitiful!’— we are just fooling ourselves.”
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:00 pm

Maitreya said that to hear the dharma is to open the door to liberation, and many students imagine that study in the form of hearing and contemplating the dharma will suffice as a dharma practice. It’s true that for those on the threshold of spiritual practice, to listen to and to read dharma is extremely rewarding – and an activity that should not be entirely abandoned by more seasoned dharma practitioners – but words are abstractions that rely wholly on centuries-old assumptions, making the language we are forced to use obscure and vague. Ultimately, merely to hear and think about dharma is not enough; we must also practice it. So, hearing, contemplating and meditating on dharma are all vital to our spiritual path, with meditation lying at its very core.

– Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche


“Even if we think we have grasped the meaning of the word “nondual,” we are really just fooling ourselves, because our mind is still caught up in the dualistic condition.”

“All the philosophical theories that exist have been created by the mistaken dualistic minds of human beings. In the realm of philosophy, that which today is considered true, may tomorrow be proved to be false. No one can guarantee a philosophy’s validity. Because of this, any intellectual way of seeing whatever is always partial and relative. The fact is that there is no truth to seek or to confirm logically; rather what one needs to do is to discover just how much the mind continually limits itself in a condition of dualism.

Dualism is the real root of our suffering and of all our conflicts. All our concepts and beliefs, no matter how profound they may seem, are like nets which trap us in dualism. When we discover our limits we have to try to overcome them, untying ourselves from whatever type of religious, political or social conviction may condition us. We have to abandon such concepts as ‘enlightenment’, ‘the nature of the mind’, and so on, until we are no longer satisfied by a merely intellectual knowledge, and until we no longer neglect to integrate our knowledge with our actual existence.”

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:41 pm

You think if you practice meditation, you’ll be happy, your suffering will go away, you’ll be come enlightened. You’ll never become enlightened. You’ll never be happy.”

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