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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:21 pm

“There is nothing to practice. To know yourself, be yourself.
To be yourself, stop imagining yourself to be this or that.
Just be. Let your true nature emerge.
Don’t disturb your mind with seeking.”

~ Sri Nisargadatta
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Seeker242 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:11 pm

Ajahn Sumedho, a Theravada Thai forest monk said once, "All your thoughts are garbage. You may think that some of them are good but you should consider the possibility that all your thoughts are garbage."

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:04 pm

The erroneous imagination that you are the body is the root of all evils. Through wrong thinking, you identify yourself with the body. Dehadhyasa arises. You are attached to the body. This is Abhimana. Then, Mamata (mineness) arises. You identify yourself with your wife, children, house, etc. It is identification or attachment that brings about bondage, misery and pain. You never wept when millions of Germans died in the war. Why? Because, there was no identification and attachment. But, you weep profusely when your son dies, on account of attachment. The word 'My' produces wonderful influence in the mind. Note the difference in effects produced in the mind when you hear the two sentences: 'Horse is dead' and 'My horse is dead.'
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Re: The Wisdom of Zengetsu (and other Dharma Gems)

Postby another_being on Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:03 pm

"We’re here to learn, teach, and become our true nature, love and light, and those closest to us are our greatest teachers and students in this school of life." -- Dr. John Demartini, from The Breakthrough Experience.
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:37 pm

Each seeker accepts, or invents, a method which suits him, applies it to himself with some earnestness and effort, obtains results according to his temperament and expectations, casts them into a mould of words, builds them into a system, establishes a tradition, and begins to admit others into his ‘School of Yoga’. It is all built on memory and imagination. No such school is valueless, nor indispensable; in each one can progress up to the point when all desire for progress must be abandoned, to make further progress possible. Then all schools are given up, all effort ceases. In solitude and darkness the last step is made, which ends ignorance and fear forever.
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:49 pm

"Atma is Brahman".

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:50 pm

"Truth is one, though the sages give it different names."

--Rg Veda, 1.164.46
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Dazzled on Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:00 pm

“If you have time to be mindful, you have time to meditate.”

~ Ajahn Chah
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:36 am

I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being.
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Wise men don't judge: they seek to understand.
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:02 am

“When you deceive yourself that you work for the good of all,
it makes matters worse, for you should not be guided
by your own ideas of what is good for others.
A man who claims to know what is good for others, is dangerous.”
~Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj



Q: When we talk of helping humanity, we mean a struggle against disorder and suffering.

M: You merely talk of helping. Have you ever helped, really helped, a single man? Have you ever put one soul beyond the need of further help? Can you give a man character, based on full realisation of his duties and opportunities at least, if not on the insight into his true being?
When you do not know what is good for yourself, how can you know what is good for others?

Q: But I am not alone to suffer. There are others.

M: When you go to them with your desires and fears, you merely add to their sorrows. First be free of suffering yourself and then only hope of helping others. You do not even need to hope — your very existence will be the greatest help a man can give his fellowmen.

~from “I Am That”, Nisargadatta Maharaj


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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby littletsu on Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:42 pm

"Imagining the happy, useful outcome of our actions has an exciting, encouraging effect on us, it empowers us. In this way, the goal of the action or labour is indeed incentivising and induces joy through the course of the action. That is to say, the labouring of the instinct has a joyful effect. We imagine the result of the action, which causes joy, thus increasing the efficiency of the action (the goal is the labouring of another instinct). However, the instinct does not want the result of it's work. Our intellect-instinct finds enjoyment in setting up goals - this is its work, just as thinking up the means - logical joy in each action.
There are numerous instincts at play behind each action.
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1) that, which gains satisfaction in working, in actions
2) that, which gains satisfaction in selecting the means
3) that, which gains satisfaction in the forecasting of the result
The instinct gains satisfaction - e.g. it is functioning in this way - in conquering impulses and transforming them. To do so it must fight: it has to
hold back and minimize other impulses. In fact it is labouring without end: but when it is reinforced, that leads to greater powers, and thus its force is changing time to time as well. However, the instinct itself is nothing, but a certain kind of work: personification." - Nietzsche


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It is my translation, so possibly mistaken, but I think it should be fairly clear. And it is quite interesting!
Nietzsche had some great insights that could be valuable through a Buddhist view of things. This piece is "just" a diary entry from around 1881-84.
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:55 am

“Do not try to know the truth, for knowledge by the mind is not true knowledge. But you can know what is not true — which is enough to liberate you from the false. The idea that you know what is true is dangerous, for it keeps you imprisoned in the mind. It is when you do not know, that you are free to investigate. And there can be no salvation without investigation, because non-investigation is the main cause of bondage.”

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:15 am

I lost interest in truth long ago.

All dreams of enlightenment
and its absence
Have crumbled into birdsong
Morning walks down untrodden paths
And the poetry of silence.

Truth can only be lived,
Never grasped.

Be miraculous, each day.

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:42 am

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:59 pm

Q: The search will come to an end. The seeker will remain.

Nisargadatta: No, the seeker will dissolve, the search will remain. The search is the ultimate and timeless reality.

Q: Search means lacking, wanting, incompleteness and imperfection.

Nisargadatta: No, it means refusal and rejection of the incomplete and the imperfect. The search for reality is itself the movement of reality. In a way, all search is for the real bliss, or the bliss of the real. By search we mean the search for oneself as the root of being conscious, as the light beyond the mind. This search will never end, as long as there remains a restless craving for anything else, and only then can real progress take place.
~I Am That, Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Chrisd on Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:08 pm

Talk of success, security, happiness
and the multitudes will flock.
Offer music and tasty food,
and travelers will stop in.

Talk of Tao has no flavor.

Look for it — there is nothing to see.
Listen for it — there is nothing to hear.
Merge with it — there is no boundary or end.

~Tao Te Ching
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby fukasetsu on Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:21 am

“If you were to practice mindful awareness with great diligence for just a month, if you were to recognize even the slightest thought and not allow your mind to wander off into delusion for that time, even in such a short time you would witness great changes. Fierce afflictions would not faze you so much anymore, because you would have gained personal experience in observing the illusory play.”

~Garchen Rinpoche
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby Herbie on Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:43 am

Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

Karl Marx, founder of a famous spiritual tradition
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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:54 pm

Following Paul Grilley's publication of the ground-breaking introduction of so-called "Yin Yoga", in Yin Yoga: Outline of a Quiet Practice (2002), Yin Yoga continues to make a splash, now with a new book from a different quarter.

from: Bernie Clark; Sarah Powers (Foreword), The Complete Guide to Yin Yoga: The Philosophy and Practice of Yin Yoga ( 2012).

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In my yoga-teaching in USA since 1980, I've always taught that asana means "seat". Seat for what? Why, seat for meditation. One ought to be able to meditate in any chosen asana, not just the seated poses. This is the orientation and aim of what the authors of these books call "Yin Yoga".

This is not "power-yoga", nor "flow-yoga", but practice in which postures are held for three minutes. In those three minutes, the body benefits, and the nerves and mind learn a natural sort of meditative relaxation, quite of necessity. Wonderful! This transfers benefits to one's regular seated meditation practice, and other practices (say, the suite of practices that constitutes Zen Buddhist practice, of which I like to say, zazen is the indispensible one-thirteenth part). And one's flexibility and resilience increase through the Yin Yoga practice, benefits that become available as resources in every sphere of life and activity, while overall health is also improved.

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Re: Favorite Sayings from other traditions

Postby partofit22 on Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:42 pm

In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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