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"Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:40 pm

As a salvific religion, of course there's talk in Buddhism (in Buddhist circles) of "saving".

"All beings" can be saved in Mahayana circles, plus ourselves.

As there is nowhere to go, the saving is done "in-place", let's say.

It's a bit like precautions and protection taken during hurricanes, or tornados, floods, and sometimes wildfires: if there's no escaping to other grounds, one must best-use the ground one is on, and discover its true, saving, nature, the depth and breadth of its true resources for ourselves and others. "Shelter In-Place", the public authorities say.

Strong practice,

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:34 pm

Lovely metaphor Joe, thanks for sharing.

What you say is true, “however” since most humans do not life in a natural state (of “mind”) with a constant cognitive dissonance which comes with the software, one also “reads un-naturally” including “in place” (as you might say “artificially”) As you know “it” is in constant flux and “altered” depending on experiences, both separation and one-ness is an artificial state, and grasping at any state causes “dukkha”

I’d say that without a conceptual center arising, one is “in place” with nowhere to go we can make the entire world our shelter. Let’s simply “stop” and observe, recognition is “liberating”
There are gaps in the program just don’t follow moving, and don’t try to stop it.

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:30 pm

Hurricane ("Typhoon") Season will begin soon in USA, and we may hear this admonition, "Shelter in place". Well, it's better than hearing, "Evacuate!". --Joe
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:46 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:Hurricane ("Typhoon") Season will begin soon in USA, and we may hear this admonition, "Shelter in place". Well, it's better than hearing, "Evacuate!". --Joe


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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby Linda Anderson on Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:41 am

refuge has nothing to do with shelter in place.... why are you introducting confusion....
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:49 am

hi, Linda,

Linda Anderson wrote:refuge has nothing to do with shelter in place.... why are you introducting confusion....

Negatory; not talking refuge (although we take it as a preliminary, and a distinct 'supportive').

Talking, "salvation". See the OP. Nowhere to go: salvation is, thus, well, ...just in this very place. From here on out, forever, and ever.

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby Linda Anderson on Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:46 am

it seems to me that there is nothing to save... what say you Joe?
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:39 am

But that's the "fun" part Linda, once realized there's nothing to save or attain and such dualistic views end,
that is the very beginning with respect to ourselfs.

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:15 pm

Dear Linda,

Linda Anderson wrote:it seems to me that there is nothing to save... what say you Joe?

Hmm, spoken like an advanced practitioner. Maybe sometime I'll get there! I mean here... . ;) :Namaste:

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:43 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:As there is nowhere to go, the saving is done "in-place", let's say.


pee-ness Joe and good day,

I love the metaphor of being stuck in a forest of thorns, take one step and you'll entangle yourself even more, don't move and one can't be free too. So what to "do"? It's good practise to "cut off" the (thinking) mind.
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:33 pm

fuki, et al.,

fukasetsu wrote:I love the metaphor of being stuck in a forest of thorns, take one step and you'll entangle yourself even more, don't move and one can't be free too. So what to "do"? It's good practise to "cut off" the (thinking) mind.

In (Zen- ?) Buddhism, there is the metaphor of "the Mountain of Swords".

Good day to go climbing! ;)

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:48 pm

Joe,

The national teacher's three calls, is that the case?

Never had my eyes on that before, thanks for sharing.

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:45 pm

Yes, Fuki, for example there.

The "Mountain of Swords", metaphor.

Your selection is from the Mumonkan, the famous collection of 48 koan cases.

The case you reference is case 17. "ECHU'S THREE CALLS"

    CASE 17. ECHU'S THREE CALLS

    Echu (also called 'Kokushi', the 'teacher of the emperor'), called his attendant, Oshin, three times and three times Oshin answered, "Yes!"

    Kokushi said, "I thought that I had offended you, but in reality [it was you who] offended me!"

    Mumon's Comment:
    Kokushi called Oshin three times. His tongue fell to the ground (from talking too much). Oshin answered three times and revealed his harmony with the Tao. Echu, getting old and lonely, attempted even to hold the cow's head down to feed on the grass. Oshin did not trouble to show his Zen, for his satisfied stomach had no desire to eat. When the nation is prosperous, everyone is too proud (to eat plain food), now just say who offended which one?

    Mumon's Verse:
    When prison cange is iron and has no hole,
    (Echu's) followers have neither peace nor rest.
    When you intend to uphold the teaching of Zen,
    You must climb a mountain of swords with bare feet.
transl.: Eiichi Shimomissé, 1998.

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:06 pm

Thank you Sir, it seems your honouring its function in service and vice versa, will check if it's in GG's gatebook too and utter a "hail" in your name. :)
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:13 pm

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Got it...so now I go from case 1 to case 17 :heya:
First I'll make some grass, I mean coffee.
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:25 pm

Fuki, the things Guo Gu says there are wonderful, especially near the top of the page. Nice to see that you have his book too! tnx, --Joe
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby fukasetsu on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:36 pm

Yes Joe, as I mentioned earlier on this board, I gave up on working with koans many years ago because I had no idea what they were "asking" even the commentary in other books speak too much in metaphor leaving room for inagination, luckily Guo Gu speaks in 2017 everyday language and he's a compassionate teacher, his commentary is what clarifies what the koan points too, Wumen's comment does nothing for me, it only begets confusion but that could be my bad, I read most cases but didn't sit with it, only case 1 and perhaps now case 17.

I picked up the book and now fuki's on my legs, luckily she cant read :lol2:

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:23 pm

The Texas hurricane, "Harvey", is causing a resurgence of this message.

But many places are too flooded, though, or too destroyed and devoid ...of shelter. --Joe

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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby partofit22 on Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:20 pm

Sheltering in place is a temporary state- The shelter could shift, therefore so could the state of the place, so it might be wise to shift too to another place-

I had weather related dreams since as far back as I could remember until Katrina hit (and they dispersed) because the shelters that I had imagined people actually found during that disaster and lived to tell about it- Amazing stuff to read-
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Re: "Shelter In-Place"...

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:11 pm

There's still Trump-ical Storm Donald to deal with, perhaps even for a few years, nobody's sure. Signs are he's been fading to a Trump-ical Depression.

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