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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:54 pm

Anka,

anka wrote:At times this feels like a forum of experts, this is just my opinion with of course is worth less then a grain of sand. so take it or leave if as you will.

Interesting comments about the Forum!

To stay on-topic, however, it appears cam101 has "left it" (you say take it or leave it).

It appears he (or she) is the "expert" -- as you say -- of his/her own views.

And it appears he (or she) did not actually come here to ask advice, nor to discuss approaches to communication. He/she came to criticize others in other lineages (as seen from the OP). Maybe unwittingly, maybe not (but neither case would be laudable).

Too bad he/she was unperceptive enough to suppose that Lun. was offering anything but crackpot troll-ish comments. Yes, who wouldn't be a bit shocked by such behavior in someone who has not actually been banned from posting (under his current alias, at least): It seems cam101 was not aware that moderators are currently lacking. Thus, I supposed cam101 exercised the know-nothing/beginners' mind that you say you value, and slandered all at ZFI by painting with a broad, ignorant, brush all who tried to help.

No blame; no loss. On to better things!, I hope, in other threads.

--Joe
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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby anka on Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:59 pm

Hi Joe,

You have made many assumptions in your post. Which is not bad or good. But in truth we will never know what led to cam101 leaving. We will not know what life experiences she/he has had which led to perceiving this forum as a negative atmosphere. All we know for certain is that he/she did not receive what he/she was seeking here and decided to move on.

I suggest you put down cam101 and Luna as it seems you are still carrying them.

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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:11 pm

Anka,

Cam101 made clear why he/she left the Forum. It isn't pretty.

Of course, he/she has a point about Lun., but I claim a lack of perception in his/her painting the whole Forum with the same brush as Lun.

Of course cam101 has come back and has been poking-around, but has kept silent. Some day he/she may return to post, beginning with apologies. Meanwhile, the posts made by some in this thread constitute some good information and good advice, when it comes to communication (say, with folks not of one's lineage), either with specialists or non-specialists. For how long, though, will the Forum remain an archive of such information? I think the registration expires in just over a week, and then there may be melt-down of the whole ball of wax.

Yes, put down Lun. and cam is good advice.

On to a better side of the Board, as I suggested.

--Joe

p.s. another thing clear from the OP is that the writer does NOT mean what is given or shown in the title of the thread ("Practicing outside one's lineage"). It seems, from the "luncheon" reference, that he/she is talking about SOCIALIZING outside one's lineage. Now, I'd suggest that PRACTICING outside one's lineage might actually be a good, broadening, project and undertaking for the fellow/gal. Doing so could clue one in on uses of language and on avenues of approach to concepts, and to elements of practice, and sources of energy and motivation. Branch out like this to enough lineages or schools, and the whole world will become your sangha. It already is, but this is a (beginner's) way not to miss the fact that it is.

Upon awakening, one has no doubt that the whole world is one's sangha, but I'm talking about "meanwhile". And, as a way to brush-up one's "communication", the putative topic of the thread, and to be skillful about it. Cam101, take a memo to 'self'.

anka wrote:Hi Joe,

You have made many assumptions in your post. Which is not bad or good. But in truth we will never know what led to cam101 leaving. We will not know what life experiences she/he has had which led to perceiving this forum as a negative atmosphere. All we know for certain is that he/she did not receive what he/she was seeking here and decided to move on.

I suggest you put down cam101 and Luna as it seems you are still carrying them.
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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby anka on Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:53 pm

Hi Desert,

If cam has visited I see it as further evidence that the post in question was generated out of a moment of frustration and anger. As such there is no need to appoligize as that is how they felt in the moment it was written.

I completely agree with your P.S section and thank you for putting it in words on this forum for others to see.

I know you have years of strong practice behind your insights and posts but I caution you. You have an answer or remark to everything. This can rub some people the wrong way and make you seem as a "knowitall" who thinks they are above everyone else. The fact that we are communicating on an internet forum where you cant see facial expressions or listen to voice tone can make this worse. Remember that some people need to come to the realizations themselves. Give them a nudge but do give the impression that there is only one answer or solution.

This all being said I respect you and am thankful for your activity here.

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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:15 pm

Anka,

Good considerations.

I am not above taking advice, or viewing others' perspectives if I'm able.

In general, I don't hide what I know, and I offer it as given. Let's see, what was your line?: "Take it or leave it".

I think everyone in an internet forum by this date has the sense to operate this way. Caveat emptor.

Another general point comes through one of the Buddhist precepts: "I vow not to be stingy with the Dharma Resources".
A perhaps more familiar Judeo-Christian interpretation of that can be, "Don't hide your Light under a bushel".

To temper this, though, is the highly compassionate admonition among Zen Buddhists, "not to speak too plainly". I accept the reasons for this, experience them internally, and I respect the absolute need of others to come to their own realization (through correct and suitable practice). There is no substitute (no other way, really, if one is interested in realization through practice, I mean).

Amidst it all, this is a discussion group, and so we are discussing. How others "take" what is said, or how they are rubbed-up, is not something that can always be foreseen, or pre-engineered from afar. As you wrote, for example, no one knows what life experiences someone else has had, etc. So, live and let live. Any post can be taken with a grain of salt, or merely ignored, or reported to the Moderator(s). Or, if you're cam101, at the sign of one's first feeling offense from a troll, one can bolt, immediately begin to spout bad language, and slander the whole membership at the board by painting them with a broad brush of imagined traits.

Let the TOU be a guide. Beyond that, I think that comments on personal style may be uncalled for, and may actually be an offense.

And now you know more than I do about all this,

--Joe
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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby anka on Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:32 pm

Hi Joe,

Fantastic post in general, it seems like the last 2 lines directed at cam were not nessessary. Alas this could just be misinterpretation on my part due to the medium we are communicating through. Was this remark intended to be similar to being hit by a stick in a Zendo?

Please do not spread rumors about me joe, although I may think I know a lot at times. We both know for certain I know nothing.

Is the forecast good for watching the stars tonight? I am enjoying some rain at the moment.

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Re: Practicing outside one's lineage

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:49 pm

anka wrote:We both know for certain I know nothing.

Uh-uh, no; I'm not going to make any assumptions.

anka wrote:Is the forecast good for watching the stars tonight? I am enjoying some rain at the moment.

Off-topic. But, it's cloudy, here. Clouds!, in the usually-clear desert. What will they think of next?

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