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Postby anka on Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:57 pm

Is anyone else following the situation at Standing Rock. It makes me sick to read about what is happening out there. It also fuels my practice because it's just another example of mass suffering.
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby Lunarious1987 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:03 pm

Can you elaborate on the situation?
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby anka on Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:19 pm

There is a standoff between police and Native Americans going on in North Dakota over the construction of a pipeline through area that contains sacred sites for the Native Americans. The pipeline is also supposed to run close to one of their only drinking water supplies and they are afraid of leaks from the pipeline after it is built.

This has just recently gotten more violent between the protesters and the police. It is quite sad.
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby Lunarious1987 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:14 pm

I think the Native American should relocate themselves, for the greater good.

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Re: Standing Rock

Postby anka on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:26 pm

I would have to disagree.

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Re: Standing Rock

Postby Lunarious1987 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:51 pm

Have you seen the movie the last samurai? The alternative is blood. The government doesn't negotiate. IMO.

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Re: Standing Rock

Postby lobster on Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:04 am

Lunarious1987 wrote:I think the Native American should relocate themselves, for the greater good.

Peace :)


LOL
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby Lunarious1987 on Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:26 am

lobster wrote:
Lunarious1987 wrote:I think the Native American should relocate themselves, for the greater good.

Peace :)


LOL
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Why don't you inform us on your opinion? Or do you just want to laugh?
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby partofit22 on Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:41 am

anka wrote:Is anyone else following the situation at Standing Rock. It makes me sick to read about what is happening out there. It also fuels my practice because it's just another example of mass suffering.


According to the stories being shared by those who have been there it sounds surreal- The very idea of Native Americans losing land is surreal regardless what year the taking away takes place- Granted some Native Americans could care less about water and land no differently than anyone else who isn't Sioux and doesn't care about water and land- But November is going to usher in the cold temperatures that will send everyone home and greed will proceed according to the way greed has proceeded since?
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby [james] on Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:30 pm

As long as the majority culture, which includes many indigenous people, is addicted to hydrocarbons how can it be otherwise?

As long as the majority culture is willing to look away when faced daily with the destructive effects of hydrocarbon addiction, how can it be otherwise?

As long as the majority culture accepts being pacified and distracted by sham politics, mindless entertainment and insatiable consumption, how can it be otherwise?
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby Linda Anderson on Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:22 pm

Lunarious1987 wrote:I think the Native American should relocate themselves, for the greater good.

Peace :)


The greater good is not building more pipelines to support fossil fuel and climate change. Pipelines burst regularly poisoning the water supply... it happens all the time, most recently to the Susquehanna River which serves a good portion of the east coast. It is not a question of IF a pipeline will burst, it's a question of WHEN. The greater good in this story is saturated in money and power for the sake of more profit from fossil fuel. Many other countries have the moral fiber to explore alternative sources of energy with success.

Pennsylvania Pipelines Bursts, Leaks 55,000 Gallons Of Gas Into One Of US’ Most Endangered Rivers
http://bients.com/pennsylvania-pipelines-bursts-leaks-55000-gallons-gas-one-us-endangered-rivers/

Map Displays Five Years of Oil Pipeline Spills
http://www.foreffectivegov.org/blog/map-displays-five-years-oil-pipeline-spills

The situation is horrific at Standing Rock. There are militarized police onsite protecting the financial profits of a corporation. The situation is being suppressed in the news. Reporters have been arrested and charged with felonies... one film maker charged with a felony, a potential 45-yr prison sentence. Vicious dogs were used to attack and defer peaceful protesters. Look at the difference between how Bundy was treated and what is happening here:

Bundys vs. #NoDAPL: Armed White Militia Leaders Walk Free as Native Americans Face Police Violence
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/31/bundys_vs_nodapl_armed_white_militia

And, the choices for the pipeline appear to have racist roots because the original pipeline route was changed when they realized that it would threaten a city.... instead it was re-routed so that it will threaten the tribal reservation. This may look like an isolated incident, it's not. It's the last straw, it's unprecedented how tribes and other concerned citizens have gathered there. It is the last straw in the history of genocide and abuse of Native Americans. It's an assault to us all, if only we realized it.

It is also notable that Obama and our presidential candidates have not spoken one word about this crisis. Leadership is sadly lacking across the land.

The story is sadly suppressed:

Amy Goodman on Why the North Dakota Pipeline Standoff Is Only Getting Worse
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/28/ny_mag_amy_goodman_on_why

and no, the water protectors will not be going home when the weather gets cold... they are preparing to stay the winter. It's that important for the good of all.

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Re: Standing Rock

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:59 pm

A dirty secret is that even my small hybrid 4-wheel enclosed vehicle ("car") burns fossil hydrocarbons, and is lubricated by them.

The car runs about 52 miles on a gallon of mixed poison hydrocarbons ("gasoline"; "petrol"), derived from fossil fuel ("crude petroleum"). But, its efficient running still injects extra CO2 to the atmosphere, driving the atmospheric concentration of CO2 ever higher. That's dirty.

The larger dirty secret is that all hybrids do the same as this: they burn hydrocarbons derived from fossil petroleum.

Dirtier yet is that non-hybrids use fossil fuel less efficiently than hybrids do (by about 40 percent, almost half).

Better to burn ethanol. Burning ethanol derived from fermentation of organic crop wastes and wood wastes or grasses can help to keep the level of atmospheric CO2 near a constant, and not an ever-increasing, level. But this would require industries to cease using crude fossil petroleum as a feed-stock, and a switch to fermentation of organic wastes, and distillation of ethanol alcohol to a fuel-ready concentration. Engines and exhaust systems burning ethanol do not get dirty, and require less maintenance.

An entertaining and enlightening source of info about this is David Blume's book, Ethanol Can Be A Gas! (2007).

Blume also traces in his book the history of how ethanol was the fuel of choice by the world's first car-makers (after the first electric cars), and how oil companies then conspired with car-makers to use instead the wastes of the oil companies as fuel, and sold them very cheaply as a way of getting rid of these poison components: the witches'-brew of light, poison, hydrocarbons that are no good as lubricants: benzene, toluene, xylene, and ethers, which, lumped together with other hydrocarbons, form generic "gasoline". Car-makers thus gave up the superior fuel (ethanol) for the inferior fuel ("gasoline") about a hundred years ago.

Evidently, the beat goes on. And the beat has only gotten stronger. To the detriment of the atmosphere and of health.

But Police Department cruiser cars and police vans in my desert city lately burn "E-85": 85 percent Ethanol, and 15 percent gasoline.

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Re: Standing Rock

Postby anka on Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:33 pm

What we have done to this planet is indescribable, so much karma just waiting to flower. There is still much suffering ahead of us.
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:22 pm

One of my late teachers used to say that this life is for receiving the retribution for what we have done.

Granted. But we may soften the blow -- and even awaken -- by combusting our obstructing karma through correct practice.

And, granted: there's more to "karma" than just "individual" karma: my teacher also taught that, besides individual karma, there is group-karma, of family, region, country (national... ), and planetary ascription.

To see into how to help to combust the group karmas, one can start with individual karma, and then come to the other karmas with a somewhat clean slate, and with the functions of true Wisdom and true Compassion arising freely and operating.

Without doing this step for the individual, we're almost certainly bound to make things worse for the group(s).

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Re: Standing Rock

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:16 am

anka wrote:What we have done to this planet is indescribable, so much karma just waiting to flower. There is still much suffering ahead of us.


it's just habit energy, just don't think you know what's right or wrong because that is the very thing which keeps you here :heya:

ps yes really

pps "we and this planet" really turn off everything you know or aquired through memory via your own past, the media etc etc what do the words "this planet"even mean?
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby christopher::: on Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:25 am

Linda Anderson wrote:
Lunarious1987 wrote:I think the Native American should relocate themselves, for the greater good.

Peace :)


The greater good is not building more pipelines to support fossil fuel and climate change. Pipelines burst regularly poisoning the water supply... it happens all the time, most recently to the Susquehanna River which serves a good portion of the east coast. It is not a question of IF a pipeline will burst, it's a question of WHEN. The greater good in this story is saturated in money and power for the sake of more profit from fossil fuel. Many other countries have the moral fiber to explore alternative sources of energy with success.

Pennsylvania Pipelines Bursts, Leaks 55,000 Gallons Of Gas Into One Of US’ Most Endangered Rivers
http://bients.com/pennsylvania-pipelines-bursts-leaks-55000-gallons-gas-one-us-endangered-rivers/

Map Displays Five Years of Oil Pipeline Spills
http://www.foreffectivegov.org/blog/map-displays-five-years-oil-pipeline-spills

The situation is horrific at Standing Rock. There are militarized police onsite protecting the financial profits of a corporation. The situation is being suppressed in the news. Reporters have been arrested and charged with felonies... one film maker charged with a felony, a potential 45-yr prison sentence. Vicious dogs were used to attack and defer peaceful protesters. Look at the difference between how Bundy was treated and what is happening here:

Bundys vs. #NoDAPL: Armed White Militia Leaders Walk Free as Native Americans Face Police Violence
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/31/bundys_vs_nodapl_armed_white_militia

And, the choices for the pipeline appear to have racist roots because the original pipeline route was changed when they realized that it would threaten a city.... instead it was re-routed so that it will threaten the tribal reservation. This may look like an isolated incident, it's not. It's the last straw, it's unprecedented how tribes and other concerned citizens have gathered there. It is the last straw in the history of genocide and abuse of Native Americans. It's an assault to us all, if only we realized it.

It is also notable that Obama and our presidential candidates have not spoken one word about this crisis. Leadership is sadly lacking across the land.

The story is sadly suppressed:

Amy Goodman on Why the North Dakota Pipeline Standoff Is Only Getting Worse
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/28/ny_mag_amy_goodman_on_why

and no, the water protectors will not be going home when the weather gets cold... they are preparing to stay the winter. It's that important for the good of all.

linda


Thank you Linda.

The pipeline appeared to be stopped in December, but the Trump administration supports it, so drilling has begun again. Natives and supporters camped there have been told to move. It is expected that there may be a raid on the camp within 48 hours.

Pretty much a continuation of the story of American "expansion" and "exceptionalism" these last 200+ years. Who cares about clean water, Native treaty rights when they stand in the way of profits and progress?
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Re: Standing Rock

Postby partofit22 on Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:48 pm

Tomorrow, February 22nd is the deadline-
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