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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Chrisd on Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:31 pm

not a bad idea, id say
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Michaeljc on Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:23 pm

fukasetsu wrote:
Chrisd wrote:don't you touch ma bones! :lol2:


What's that you say Chris, your dying wish is to have a Tibetian sky burial? :PP:


Who can say where our shit may fall

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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:41 pm

Michaeljc wrote:Who can say where our shit may fall


drop it anywhere, everwhere is holy :)

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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Jok_Hae on Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:44 am

Read this today..I really like the last two lines.

Responding to Ten verses by Sarok Gyeong of Geumseong
Man
Man,
By karma
Acquires a body,
Fruit of bitterness and joy,
Result of good and evil deeds.
Not following evil and delusion,
Always acting upright and true.
Mere husks are wealth and fame,
Armour and helmet, principles and humanity.
Still you must fathom the impenetrable for directions,
Then naturally you will change your bones and clear your mind.
The body is not fire, wind, earth or water,
The mind too is not to be soiled by care.
The seamless stupa shines to dispel the night,
The rootless tree blooms with everlasting spring.
Is it the keen wind or the white moonlight, that brings sickness or cure?
Of the clouds and the green mountains, which is old and which is new?
The one way has always been the one the sages trod,
A thousand carts in the same ruts have ever followed the same road.
次錦城慶司祿從一至十韻
人 人 隨業 受身 苦樂果 善惡因 不循邪妄 常行正眞 粃糠兮富貴 甲冑兮義仁
況須參玄得旨 自然換骨淸神 體不是火風地水 心亦非緣慮客塵 沒縫塔中燈燃
不夜 無根樹上花發恒春 風磨月白兮誰病誰藥 雲合靑山也何舊何新 一道通方
爲聖賢之所履 千車共轍故古今而同道
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby partofit22 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:40 pm

Jok_Hae wrote:Read this today..I really like the last two lines.

Responding to Ten verses by Sarok Gyeong of Geumseong
Man
Man,
By karma
Acquires a body,
Fruit of bitterness and joy,
Result of good and evil deeds.
Not following evil and delusion,
Always acting upright and true.
Mere husks are wealth and fame,
Armour and helmet, principles and humanity.
Still you must fathom the impenetrable for directions,
Then naturally you will change your bones and clear your mind.
The body is not fire, wind, earth or water,
The mind too is not to be soiled by care.
The seamless stupa shines to dispel the night,
The rootless tree blooms with everlasting spring.
Is it the keen wind or the white moonlight, that brings sickness or cure?
Of the clouds and the green mountains, which is old and which is new?
The one way has always been the one the sages trod,
A thousand carts in the same ruts have ever followed the same road.
次錦城慶司祿從一至十韻
人 人 隨業 受身 苦樂果 善惡因 不循邪妄 常行正眞 粃糠兮富貴 甲冑兮義仁
況須參玄得旨 自然換骨淸神 體不是火風地水 心亦非緣慮客塵 沒縫塔中燈燃
不夜 無根樹上花發恒春 風磨月白兮誰病誰藥 雲合靑山也何舊何新 一道通方
爲聖賢之所履 千車共轍故古今而同道


I love this, I do- All but this one line .. "The body is not fire, wind, earth or water," .. How or why is the body not these things according to the poem?
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby macdougdoug on Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:13 am

We cannot be sure but I would guess that the poet meant that he no longer needed a model on which to base his understanding - In other words he was free even of the most basic concepts.

The bit that rings odd to me is the bit Jok Hae pointed out about all them sages stuck in a rut.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby partofit22 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:46 pm

It says a thousand carts in the same ruts have ever followed the same road- Same ruts- Nobody is stuck- At least it doesn't say so- ?

Now here .. in this line .. "Still you must fathom the impenetrable for directions," is that really for or should it be four?

Free from the most basic concept for the line about the body makes sense-
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby macdougdoug on Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:57 pm

"the 4 directions" are not impenetrable, just look north, south etc

What we see is not impenetrable, only who it is that sees.

Dear Partofit - I think you are confused by your own knowledge - we have learnt so much that it all becomes very heavy; and we can no longer see clearly for all the baggage.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby partofit22 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:26 pm

Oh well ..
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Chrisd on Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:42 am

The will to survive must be killed off,
Once it is killed off, there will be peace…
Aren’t the esteemed sages
Just regular people who’ve resolved this matter?

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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Jok_Hae on Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:19 pm

partofit22 wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote:Read this today..I really like the last two lines.

Responding to Ten verses by Sarok Gyeong of Geumseong
Man
Man,
By karma
Acquires a body,
Fruit of bitterness and joy,
Result of good and evil deeds.
Not following evil and delusion,
Always acting upright and true.
Mere husks are wealth and fame,
Armour and helmet, principles and humanity.
Still you must fathom the impenetrable for directions,
Then naturally you will change your bones and clear your mind.
The body is not fire, wind, earth or water,
The mind too is not to be soiled by care.
The seamless stupa shines to dispel the night,
The rootless tree blooms with everlasting spring.
Is it the keen wind or the white moonlight, that brings sickness or cure?
Of the clouds and the green mountains, which is old and which is new?
The one way has always been the one the sages trod,
A thousand carts in the same ruts have ever followed the same road.
次錦城慶司祿從一至十韻
人 人 隨業 受身 苦樂果 善惡因 不循邪妄 常行正眞 粃糠兮富貴 甲冑兮義仁
況須參玄得旨 自然換骨淸神 體不是火風地水 心亦非緣慮客塵 沒縫塔中燈燃
不夜 無根樹上花發恒春 風磨月白兮誰病誰藥 雲合靑山也何舊何新 一道通方
爲聖賢之所履 千車共轍故古今而同道


I love this, I do- All but this one line .. "The body is not fire, wind, earth or water," .. How or why is the body not these things according to the poem?


To my reckoning, it is an opposites style statement...you kind of have to work with this to understand it. Congrats Teresa, you now have a kong an! lol!

Contrast it with "the rootless tree blooms with everlasting spring". How does a rootless tree bloom? What kind of body is not composed of fire, wind, earth or water?

Interesting... the path on which thousands have trod. :)
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Jok_Hae on Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:22 pm

partofit22 wrote:It says a thousand carts in the same ruts have ever followed the same road- Same ruts- Nobody is stuck- At least it doesn't say so- ?

Now here .. in this line .. "Still you must fathom the impenetrable for directions," is that really for or should it be four?

Free from the most basic concept for the line about the body makes sense-


yes, yes..many get stuck! Me too! We are stuck together!

Four directions? Eight? Three hundred and sixty? Which is it?

grist for the mill...grind, grind, grind.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby partofit22 on Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:20 pm

It's a beautiful piece- Thank you-
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:32 am

partofit22 wrote:I love this, I do- All but this one line .. "The body is not fire, wind, earth or water," .. How or why is the body not these things according to the poem?


The body is merely imagined, it's the only way consciousness can be conscious of itself, the body is not the elements because everything is but an appearance in consciousness and of consciousness (like the transient fantasy called mind) The poem merely says things are never what we imagine or think them to be, even if you imagine something to be not.

What is it that acts as the body but the manifest consciousness?

The poem triggers us to go deeper and look for the source of consciousness, forgetting all expedient worldly stuff like elements or forms.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby fukasetsu on Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:36 am

Jok_Hae wrote: What kind of body is not composed of fire, wind, earth or water?


It is sweetness that sustains the sugar (suchness)

Otherwise ask the stone girl who dances to the flute with no holes :heya:
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:54 am

fukasetsu wrote:Image


ooops, nearly missed this.... the verse has long been a support... love the pic
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Melon flowers bloomed.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Linda Anderson on Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:03 am

Jok_Hae wrote:yes, yes..many get stuck! Me too! We are stuck together!

Four directions? Eight? Three hundred and sixty? Which is it?

grist for the mill...grind, grind, grind.


great to see you Keith :hugs:
anyone who can make Kim Chi and cook with his growing son is just not grinding away in my eyes ... you are a' swimmin' my friend.... as we all are. :lool:
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Melon flowers bloomed.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Jok_Hae on Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:01 pm

fukasetsu wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote: What kind of body is not composed of fire, wind, earth or water?


It is sweetness that sustains the sugar (suchness)

Otherwise ask the stone girl who dances to the flute with no holes :heya:


Haha! I have always struggled with 270 answers, Marcin...this question seemed similar to:

Everyone has a shadow following them. How can you not step on your shadow?


It's an opposites question. Anyway, too much talk!!

More poetry:

Verse to be Shown to the Brethren

The thousand peaks jut high and pierce the clouds,
A single stream burbles over the mossy rocks.
Such sights and sounds are of themselves distinct,
They tell us all not to search beyond ourselves.
作偈示諸德
千峰突兀攙白雲 一水潺湲瀉蒼石 自然聞見甚分明 爲報諸人休外覓

Image

Another pic I took while hiking..this is very close to my house, even though I live in a suburban area. It's nice to have such scenery so close.
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby Jok_Hae on Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:03 pm

Linda Anderson wrote:
Jok_Hae wrote:yes, yes..many get stuck! Me too! We are stuck together!

Four directions? Eight? Three hundred and sixty? Which is it?

grist for the mill...grind, grind, grind.


great to see you Keith :hugs:
anyone who can make Kim Chi and cook with his growing son is just not grinding away in my eyes ... you are a' swimmin' my friend.... as we all are. :lool:


Thanks Linda! :<3:
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Re: Poetry - post poems that move you

Postby TTT on Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:44 pm

Jok_Hae wrote:
More poetry:

Verse to be Shown to the Brethren

The thousand peaks jut high and pierce the clouds,
A single stream burbles over the mossy rocks.
Such sights and sounds are of themselves distinct,
They tell us all not to search beyond ourselves.
作偈示諸德
千峰突兀攙白雲 一水潺湲瀉蒼石 自然聞見甚分明 爲報諸人休外覓



Hi Joe.

Nice poem. What does it mean?
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