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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Linda Anderson on Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:55 pm

and, vice versa
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby fukasetsu on Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:17 pm

Linda Anderson wrote:and, vice versa


The Source of samsara and nirvana is the same, only when "tainted" we call it samsara and when "pure" nirvana, but it are just names given.

A favourite line I read a long time ago from either a sutra or poem was "I'm not tainted by Nirvana"

Which had an impact on me at the time because I new exactly what the message was in the midst of all the current dualistic narrative I was trapped in at the time, the brain must be getting old because I'm sure it was either from "entering the tao of sudden enlightenment" or "the sutra of complete enlightenment" (my 2 fav pieces) but an internet engine search didn't pop anything up.

Rain or shine, war knows no winners, it only begets more wars, this loophole of mind's narrative, is delusion (the identification with the screen) my nature is the Light which makes it possible and the power of perception, but not what is projected onto the screen. So give up the struggle and take a rest, that is all.

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:34 am

In Mahayana, the highest value is not perfection of samadhi-states (the jhanas), as in the "Buddhism of the Elders", but it is Wisdom, prajna. Arising simultaneously with this is true Compassion, spontaneously, in seamless response to circumstances in daily life.

Again, this is not to say that there is not Compassion in Theravada, and Wisdom.

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:59 pm

Albert Low Roshi, in his ZEN AND THE SUTRAS, writes an interesting appreciation of Buddha Shakyamuni's history of progress in his practice, culminating in the Buddha's awakening:

    "When Buddha left home and journeyed through the forest,
    he met several teachers, each of whom taught him an
    increasingly subtle form of samadhi. It is said that Buddha
    became proficient in all these teachings but refused to
    accept any of them as the ultimate way to salvation.
    Instead, he continued with his search, suffered through
    years of ascetic practice, and finally, while practicing
    zazen under the Bo tree, came to deep awakening. It
    was with this awakening that Buddha became satisfied
    [that] his journey was at an end." ***


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    *** (p. 27)
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby partofit22 on Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:17 am

fukasetsu wrote:A favourite line I read a long time ago from either a sutra or poem was "I'm not tainted by Nirvana"


http://hinduonline.co/DigitalLibrary/SmallBooks/AvadhootaGitaEng.pdf

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Linda Anderson on Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:38 am

Most wonderful modern Bodhisattva.... que sera, sera... as zen as zen can be and it never gets old....

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:52 am

Linda Anderson wrote:... as zen as zen can be....

Dunno what that means.

But, anyway, we know that life is short.

Today we learned that another great one, Patti Duke, passed at age 69.

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p.s. I was one who used to parody the "Qué será, será" refrain as, "O.K., sirrah, sirrah!". :) :lol2:
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Avisitor on Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:26 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Albert Low Roshi, in his ZEN AND THE SUTRAS, writes an interesting appreciation of Buddha Shakyamuni's history of progress in his practice, culminating in the Buddha's awakening:

    "When Buddha left home and journeyed through the forest,
    he met several teachers, each of whom taught him an
    increasingly subtle form of samadhi. It is said that Buddha
    became proficient in all these teachings but refused to
    accept any of them as the ultimate way to salvation.
    Instead, he continued with his search, suffered through
    years of ascetic practice, and finally, while practicing
    zazen under the Bo tree, came to deep awakening. It
    was with this awakening that Buddha became satisfied
    [that] his journey was at an end." ***


    --Joe

    *** (p. 27)

Yes, increasingly ... samadhi ... yes, awakening
Very good words to bring to student's ear

His journey was at an end?????
I don't understand this.
Please explain??
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:50 pm

Av,

Thanks.

You may ask your question(s) of the author, Albert Low Roshi. Correspond (about the book named above) through his publisher:

    Tuttle Publishing
    153 Milk Street
    Boston, MA USA 02109
Post his answer(s) here, if you think they will be of general interest, and if you've obtained his permission to post them.

best,

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Avisitor wrote:Yes, increasingly ... samadhi ... yes, awakening
Very good words to bring to student's ear

His journey was at an end?????
I don't understand this.
Please explain??
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby HePo on Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:41 pm

DW. wrote:

You may ask your question(s) of the author, Albert Low Roshi. Correspond (about the book named above) through his publisher:

Tuttle Publishing
153 Milk Street
Boston, MA USA 02109
Post his answer(s) here, if you think they will be of general interest, and if you've obtained his permission to post them.

Albert Low died January 27.
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:19 pm

HePo,

HePo wrote:Albert Low died January 27.

That's very sad news. But thank you for relaying it here. May the Roshi rest in deepest samadhi. May all his family, friends, students, and readers be consoled.

This is naturally going to make correspondence difficult for Av. But if he and the Roshi can both meet in samadhi (of one sort or another) or in suchness, ...all may come clear.

With hopes,

:Namaste:,

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p.s. "Let me respectfully remind you:
Life and Death are of supreme importance.
Time swiftly passes by, and opportunity is lost.
Each of us should strive to awaken. Awaken!
Take heed, do not squander this precious Human life."


    -- Dogen's admonition
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Avisitor on Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:02 am

desert_woodworker wrote:You may ask your question(s) of the author, Albert Low Roshi. Correspond (about the book named above) through his publisher:

--Joe

Avisitor wrote:His journey was at an end?????
I don't understand this.
Please explain??

The question was directed at you since you brought the words here to share.
Seems you take action but no responsibility for those actions.
Is that the enlightened way?
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:49 am

Av,

Here, I reply:

Avisitor wrote:The question was directed at you since you brought the words here to share.

My opinions could be no better than the author's definitive word. Unfortunately, we've both now learned that the Roshi has passed away, just two months ago (alas), and shall probably prove to be incognito.

You're in a position to form your own opinion(s). Maybe just ponder the words, if you would. Or sleep on them (I imagined you might have given up instant-gratification when you gave up instant- (or ground-) coffee).

Seems you take action but no responsibility for those actions.
Is that the enlightened way?

Now you're just off on a spiteful tangent, because you would not take responsibility. I tell you, the enmity is misplaced. Channel closed,

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Linda Anderson on Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:22 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Av,

Here, I reply:

Avisitor wrote:The question was directed at you since you brought the words here to share.

My opinions could be no better than the author's definitive word. Unfortunately, we've both now learned that the Roshi has passed away, just two months ago (alas), and shall probably prove to be incognito.

You're in a position to form your own opinion(s). Maybe just ponder the words, if you would. Or sleep on them (I imagined you might have given up instant-gratification when you gave up instant- (or ground-) coffee).

Seems you take action but no responsibility for those actions.
Is that the enlightened way?

Now you're just off on a spiteful tangent, because you would not take responsibility. I tell you, the enmity is misplaced. Channel closed,

:Namaste:,

--Joe


dear Joe, it's time you stop being a greased pig and sliping out of this. You are simply being asked for your xyz of it, your take on it .... right or wrong, no matter. Don't pour it back on others. You act like an authority until some one asks.... for gods sake, just answer.

If you ask me, this is the aspect of zen that I particularly dislike.... disingenuous, to say the least... you are just fine when you say it as you see it, agreed or not. The best we can do is speak for ourselves... hold up your finger falsely and it will be cut off. (that's a koan joke, so easy does it on the blame and judgement.)
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:48 pm

Linda,

Linda Anderson wrote:Don't pour it back on others.

Only one other knew what he meant (as do most readers, I think). And that other has unfortunately passed away, we recently learned.

I have an understanding of the phrase in question, or an opinion about it. But my opinion is valueless, or worse: I decline to pollute the waters.

If Av will accept your opinion, say, well, maybe you'll please help him any way you can. And that way, I too may also learn something. Do you see the way this could work? We are a village.

Don't be so dismissive, bodhisattva.

tnx,

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Avisitor on Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:53 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:Av,

Here, I reply:

Avisitor wrote:The question was directed at you since you brought the words here to share.

My opinions could be no better than the author's definitive word. Unfortunately, we've both now learned that the Roshi has passed away, just two months ago (alas), and shall probably prove to be incognito.

You're in a position to form your own opinion(s). Maybe just ponder the words, if you would. Or sleep on them (I imagined you might have given up instant-gratification when you gave up instant- (or ground-) coffee).

Seems you take action but no responsibility for those actions.
Is that the enlightened way?

Now you're just off on a spiteful tangent, because you would not take responsibility. I tell you, the enmity is misplaced. Channel closed,

:Namaste:,

--Joe

There is no spite in those words. Just questions about your actions.
You must remember that you are not just another voice in the crowd here.
But, yours is more of the big brother who is to help others along.
So, I point out to you and question your actions.

I am sorry that you do not understand the situation.

Linda Anderson wrote:dear Joe, it's time you stop being a greased pig and sliping out of this. You are simply being asked for your xyz of it, your take on it .... right or wrong, no matter. Don't pour it back on others. You act like an authority until some one asks.... for gods sake, just answer.

If you ask me, this is the aspect of zen that I particularly dislike.... disingenuous, to say the least... you are just fine when you say it as you see it, agreed or not. The best we can do is speak for ourselves... hold up your finger falsely and it will be cut off. (that's a koan joke, so easy does it on the blame and judgement.)


Thank you Linda.

desert_woodworker wrote:I have an understanding of the phrase in question, or an opinion about it. But my opinion is valueless, or worse: I decline to pollute the waters.

If Av will accept your opinion, say, well, maybe you'll please help him any way you can. And that way, I too may also learn something. Do you see the way this could work? We are a village.

If your opinion is valueless then why start posting in the first place?
Sorry, but everyone's opinion matters.
It is the way we start and the way we learn.
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:58 pm

Av,

Avisitor wrote:I am sorry that you do not understand the situation.

If it's like that, then I understand.

But, yours is more of the big brother who is to help others along.

If it's like that, then please trust my noble silence. Be consistent.

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby Avisitor on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:04 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:Av,

Avisitor wrote:I am sorry that you do not understand the situation.

If it's like that, then I understand.

But, yours is more of the big brother who is to help others along.

If it's like that, then please trust my noble silence. Be consistent.

:Namaste:,

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Silence alone doesn't bring understanding
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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:10 pm

Av,

Avisitor wrote:Silence alone doesn't bring understanding

Silence with others does. ;)

--Joe

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Re: Bodhisattvic Job-Security (or Not)

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:33 pm

I note that (Ajaan) Thanissaro Bhikkhu has a talk relevant to our topic. He delivered it at Insight Meditation Center on April 30, 2005.

It is Emptiness Part 4, 42:32 in length. The talk can be streamed or downloaded, from:

http://www.audiodharma.org/teacher/16/

Scroll down, once there, to:

Emptiness (Part 4) 2005-04-30 42:32

The section that bears especially on the topic of this thread, and on the Prajnaparamita literature, comes in the final third or quarter of the talk.

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