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Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:28 pm

Non-Suffering succotash!

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:33 am

Been looking into veggie burgers
Then I found out that they use egg whites

What to do? What to do?
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby macdougdoug on Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:49 am

Most Succotash recipes suggest we use butter, are we in deep doodads?
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Seeker242 on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:24 pm

Avisitor wrote:Been looking into veggie burgers
Then I found out that they use egg whites

What to do? What to do?


Not all of them do. There are brands of vegan veggie burgers. :) Although, homemade is always the best. Unless you are a really bad cook. :)
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:39 am

Lettuce has doubled in price here, now, today, in this Northern winter. But, I don't care. I need a vehicle for the delicious dressing I make.

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:19 am

I thought you were a hot dog fanatic ... hahahaha


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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:05 pm

mdd,

macdougdoug wrote:Most Succotash recipes suggest we use butter, are we in deep doodads?

I'd say, nope!

Killing is not involving in milking, and making of butter. Now, if we were to use lard or pig-fat instead, tasty as it is, well... . :tongueincheek:

But if it were a cow or pig who simply died of old-age, and was not coerced to die, then such use would be "waste-not, want-not", wouldn't it?, and not an infraction of the Precepts, I'd tentatively opine.

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:11 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:But if it were a cow or pig who simply died of old-age, and was not coerced to die, then such use would be "waste-not, want-not", wouldn't it?, and not an infraction of the Precepts, I'd tentatively opine.

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"then such use would be "waste-not, want-not", wouldn't it?"
That is a beginning of excuses.
It is okay because the pig died of natural causes.
Is that really right thought??
Right living??
Right effort??

When people die, do they feed them to pigs?
They died of natural causes ....
Bury them with respect and then it is not an infraction of the precepts

(Yes, I tentatively Opine too)
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:49 pm

Moreover, Dalai Lama has said that, among his monastics, if a monastic is sick and very weak, he or she is permitted to eat meat from cattle which have died naturally. This is in India, in the Tibetan exile community, there. I suppose "cattle" can be cows, or yaks.

So, there you see an example of how ONE Buddhist tradition approaches meat-eating, in certain special circumstances.

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:07 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Moreover, Dalai Lama has said that, among his monastics, if a monastic is sick and very weak, he or she is permitted to eat meat from cattle which have died naturally. This is in India, in the Tibetan exile community, there. I suppose "cattle" can be cows, or yaks.

So, there you see an example of how ONE Buddhist tradition approaches meat-eating, in certain special circumstances.

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Shall we add more conditions and change the situation to suit your opine??
A monastic being sick and weak was not in the first of your words
Does it change the situation? Yes it does.
This no longer becomes a case of "waste not - want not".

Let us say for you, healthy and fit (not lacking for food) ... being a Buddhist who follows the precepts (may apply to you or not) ... should just bury the dead pig
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:31 am

What we can add is that the Tibetans also put YAK BUTTER in their tea. It's called "buttered-tea". :tongueincheek:

They also light -- or used to light -- some of their places with BUTTER LAMPS. So, in general, I don't think that the use of milk, or churned butter, is ruled-out even among the most Precepts-observant Tibetan Buddhist monastics.

We may also recall that it's said that the Buddha, at a point in time in his practice when he decided to put-down asceticism, because it was not advancing his practice, accepted a drink of cow's milk from the famous milk-maid, saving his life.

But, now, what were we talking about?

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:34 am

Av,

Avisitor wrote: ... should just bury the dead pig

Seems to me that this is your felt opinion.

In the Precepts, by the way, there are no "shoulds". Have a look, if you have not yet studied them or taken Jukai yourself.

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:39 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:Av,

Avisitor wrote: ... should just bury the dead pig

Seems to me that this is your felt opinion.

In the Precepts, by the way, there are no "shoulds". Have a look, if you have not yet studied them or taken Jukai yourself.

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Really now??
You want to divert from the main idea??
You can't or won't admit to being wrong??
That says something about yourself ... maybe you will know??

No, I have none of the opportunities you have had
And for that, I am different than you. Thank Goodness ... hahaha


Edit: And so the man wraps himself tighter with his coat ...
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:07 pm

Av,

Avisitor wrote:No, I have none of the opportunities you have had

No? I hope you had breakfast lately.

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p.s. you don't reply on the matter of milking (and butter-churning). It's an animal product. It does not involve killing. And on the matter of the Dalai Lama's ailing or frail monastics who are permitted to eat meat of naturally deceased cattle briefly as "medicine", it's not clear whether you are damning the ailing or frail monastics, or not.

p.p.s. in any case, the last non-suffering-succotash I had contained no butter, but a bit of olive oil, a family tradition developed in the States, following Mediterranean ancestors who made such a dish of cooked Fava Beans. I mention this as a culinary suggestion (because, frankly delicious!). :tongueincheek:
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:16 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Av,

Avisitor wrote:No, I have none of the opportunities you have had

No? I hope you had breakfast lately.

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Again you try to mask with diversion and humor .. not good humor at that.


desert_woodworker wrote:p.s. you don't reply on the matter of milking (and butter-churning). It's an animal product. It does not involve killing. And on the matter of the Dalai Lama's ailing or frail monastics who are permitted to eat meat of naturally deceased cattle briefly as "medicine", it's not clear whether you are damning the ailing or frail monastics, or not.

p.p.s. in any case, the last non-suffering-succotash I had contained no butter, but a bit of olive oil, a family tradition developed in the States, following Mediterranean ancestors who made such a dish of cooked Fava Beans. I mention this as a culinary suggestion (because, frankly delicious!). :tongueincheek:

That is because I don't disagree or have an different point of view on that.
Why would you want more discussion on something which seems clear?
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Caodemarte on Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:35 pm

The farther north you go the fewer vegetarians you find. Tibetan Buddhists are usually not vegetarian.
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:03 pm

Avisitor wrote:Why would you want more discussion on something which seems clear?

If it's clear, we're done, then. Now who's "masking"? ;)

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ps I think the monks there wear wool, too. Yak wool? This too does not involve killing... .
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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:12 pm

C.,

Caodemarte wrote:The farther north you go the fewer vegetarians you find. Tibetan Buddhists are usually not vegetarian.

Yes, indeed. We see the good reasons for that.

The growing-season, too, at 4500 meters, is notoriously short, and I think a lot of commerce in some vegetarian products has to be done with farmers at the lower elevations. Yet, I believe that Barley is still a chief grain, for their tsampa, grown at the altitudes that Tibetans live in the original country.

I think that the chief overseas exile community in India is located in a VALLEY only at about 1500 meters elevation (at Dharamsala).

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:32 pm

Avisitor wrote:Again you try to mask with diversion and humor .. not good humor at that.

Hmmph, feller doesn't recognize that he's in the "Fun and Games" area, and shows, too, that he has no sense of humor to exercise! ;)

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Re: Buddhist Vegetarianism

Postby Avisitor on Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:41 am

desert_woodworker wrote:
Avisitor wrote:Again you try to mask with diversion and humor .. not good humor at that.

Hmmph, feller doesn't recognize that he's in the "Fun and Games" area, and shows, too, that he has no sense of humor to exercise! ;)

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Lets face it, your sense of humor is just plain terrible
And your answers are mere snapping at others just so you're having fun and games which isn't much fun for anyone else

BTW ... happy new year
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