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A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby Jiun Ken on Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:33 pm

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Re: A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby unsui on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:20 pm


Super, thanks! Necessary reading!
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Re: A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby Carol on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:55 pm

Oh, thank you! I was unaware of the existence of this book. I've just looked at the forward so far. Is this a collection of koans or capping phrases? We do not use capping phrases in our lineage (Diamond Sangha) of koan practice. Are there other Western Rinzai lineages that do? I'd be really interested to hear how you do, if you do.

Again, thanks very much! I'm looking forward to savoring this!

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Re: A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby unsui on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:12 pm

Carol wrote:Oh, thank you! I was unaware of the existence of this book. I've just looked at the forward so far. Is this a collection of koans or capping phrases? We do not use capping phrases in our lineage (Diamond Sangha) of koan practice. Are there other Western Rinzai lineages that do? I'd be really interested to hear how you do, if you do.

Again, thanks very much! I'm looking forward to savoring this!

~Carol

We - here at Egely - use them as capping phrases. I haven't "gotten there" yet, so I use them for inspiration and training.
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Re: A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby Meido on Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:13 am

We use them. Many koan in our tradition have capping phrases (jakugo) specified. But our use of this practice was really made possible by the publication of Zen Sand, Victor Sogen Hori's translation of jakugo collections:

http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Sand-Capping- ... 0824835077

The book, by the way, is a superb resource in many ways...even for those who don't work with capping phrases.

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Re: A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby unsui on Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:13 am

Meido wrote:We use them. Many koan in our tradition have capping phrases (jakugo) specified. But our use of this practice was really made possible by the publication of Zen Sand, Victor Sogen Hori's translation of jakugo collections:

http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Sand-Capping- ... 0824835077

The book, by the way, is a superb resource in many ways...even for those who don't work with capping phrases.

~ Meido

We also enjoy Zen Sand - for a while, Denko would read aloud from it each morning - but mostly we use Zenrin Robert Lewis's translation of Zenrin Kushu (The Book of the Zen Grove/A Zen Grove Handbook), which, just as Zen Sand, has the original Japanese/Chinese characters, a Japanese kana-based translation, and is annotated, cross referenced and indexed.
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Re: A Zen-Forest; Sayings of the Masters

Postby Jiun Ken on Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:53 am

Carol wrote:Oh, thank you! I was unaware of the existence of this book. I've just looked at the forward so far. Is this a collection of koans or capping phrases? We do not use capping phrases in our lineage (Diamond Sangha) of koan practice. Are there other Western Rinzai lineages that do? I'd be really interested to hear how you do, if you do.

Again, thanks very much! I'm looking forward to savoring this!

~Carol


You can use it as koan as well as capping phrases. In our mother temple in Japan I have got to know it as Koan. Here in Germany it ist different. Some use it, some not, some as koan or some use it both or only as capping phrase. Sometimes Zen Forrest is used together with Zen Sand.
I haven't work with both. I only know them from reading.
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