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Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:55 am

It's recorded that at one point Hakuin's teacher Master Shoju gave Hakuin a koan involving the death of Ch'an Master Nan Chuan (Nansen, J.).

I don't find that koan in the Mumonkan, Blue Cliff Record, nor The Book of Serenity. Will somebody please help by giving a reference to where this koan can be found? Meanwhile I'll look in a few more collections, here: Warrior Koans, and Nanto Koans, but don't expect it to be in these).

thanks!,

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Re: Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby Meido on Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:00 am

The Rinzai Zen Way: A Guide to Practice
Korinji monastery [臨済宗 • 祖的山光林禅寺]: http://www.korinji.org
Madison Rinzai Zen Community/Ryugen-ji [機山龍源寺]: http://www.madisonrinzaizen.org
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Re: Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:48 am

Thank you!, Meido. This will take some sitting-with. ;) Tonight, I'll sleep on it.

I had not known of this book, before, although I know Nelson. I appreciate your turning me toward it. That's a lot of koans, in a beautiful-looking book. Tonight I found a motivated seller offering the hardcover in like-new condition on eBay for a pittance, a price I found nowhere else; I did not resist.

Interesting! that Hakuin came to see into this koan while passing through the town, or market place, as I think the biography goes.

_/\_ ,

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Meido wrote:See here in the Kattoshu:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ZlI6A ... th&f=false
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Re: Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby Meido on Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:21 am

You're welcome, sir.

Yuho Kirchner did us a real service with that translation of the Kattoshu, including also extensive notes and a biographical index. Well worth purchasing, and folks doing Rinzai koan practice will likely find it indispensable since a number of koan commonly encountered are found therein.

I also always recommend Victor Sogen Hori's Zen Sand. The introduction to that work has the best explanation of the structure and function of Rinzai koan practice that I know of (and, in fact, that intro can be downloaded legally here: http://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/201 ... uction.pdf). Many questions and misconceptions RE Rinzai koan practice that one encounters in both popular and scholarly literature can be cleared up by reading this.

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Re: Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:59 am

Meido,

Meido wrote:I also always recommend Victor Sogen Hori's Zen Sand. The introduction to that work has the best explanation of the structure and function of Rinzai koan practice that I know of (and, in fact, that intro can be downloaded legally here: http://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/201 ... uction.pdf). Many questions and misconceptions RE Rinzai koan practice that one encounters in both popular and scholarly literature can be cleared up by reading this.

That'll be my next purchase. Your grandmotherly kindness is costing me money! :lol2:

And I'll get a jump on reading by downloading that great-sounding Intro and keep it handy on the desktop hereabouts. Thanks 10^+06!

:Namaste:

--Joe

EDIT: (after downloading the PDF) Yikes!: 97 pages of "Introduction". A weighty document! This is something I'll savor. Thank you for the link, Meido. -J. @ 10:09 PM Mountain Standard Time (UTC minus 7).
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Re: Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby Meido on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:09 am

Not the first time I've been accused of being grandmotherly, just can't help myself.

Always happy to post useful resources...enjoy!

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Re: Koan re: Nan Chuan's (Nansen's) death?

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:36 am

Meido, a copy of Hori is on its way to me, at $30. There is still a copy for $50 at Amazon. And, one at Alibris from UK also at $50, US. Otherwise, the price everywhere seems to go up v. steeply from there.

I've seen "$168", and even higher.

Sometimes, "No mercy", from some sellers.

Are we in the wrong racket? Nah.

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