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Re: Hsin Hsin Ming - Verses on the Perfect Mind

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 07, 2017 5:00 pm

Eun.,

Eunsahn108 wrote:"They Great Way is easy for those to pick and choose."

Slip of the keyboard, there?

A major correction of a major point:

See the text again, even if it's not a translation you most favor ("choose"; "pick"). It should read (approximately):

"The Great Way (Tao) is not difficult, for those who cease to cherish opinions (picking and choosing)."

Your paraphrase above tries to say the opposite.

:Namaste: :) :heya: ,

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Re: Hsin Hsin Ming - Verses on the Perfect Mind

Postby Eunsahn108 on Sun May 07, 2017 5:02 pm

Oops, typo. Can't see the little characters so well anymore. :)

Corrected and pasted in here also:
"The Great Way is easy for those with no preferences."
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Re: Hsin Hsin Ming - Verses on the Perfect Mind

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 07, 2017 5:04 pm

Eun.,

Greetings! Welcome.

Eunsahn108 wrote:Oops, typo. Can't see the little characters so well anymore. :)

Thanks for checking!

How does it read, there, once you correct it. Will you type the correct text please for us? tnx!,

--Joe

p.s. take care of those precious eyes, please!, for all Beings. And, take care of the True Eye, --J.
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Re: Hsin Hsin Ming - Verses on the Perfect Mind

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun May 07, 2017 5:18 pm

hiya, [j.],

[james] wrote:... words of past millennia ...does this reliance not obstruct us in recognizing the fullness of our present situation?

Only if you allow it.

That is, if you are complicit against yourself, in doing so. And if you don't have a practice such as the masters of "past millennia" exemplified and espoused, you may well look for too much indeed (and in desperation and impoverishment) in "words". The Zen Buddhist tradition has warned against this from the beginning.

In our (correct... ) practice, one takes this to heart ...or doesn't.

The fault, as always, is with the would-be practitioner, not with the old-timers of past millennia, nor their wise and compassionate writings, "letters from Home". :rbow:

Enjoying a letter from a Family member doesn't quite take us out of "...the fullness of our present situation", and is, quite to the contrary, a nicely begotten part of it.

I'd say... . :tongueincheek:

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Re: Hsin Hsin Ming - Verses on the Perfect Mind

Postby [james] on Mon May 08, 2017 3:47 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
[james] wrote:... words of past millennia ...does this reliance not obstruct us in recognizing the fullness of our present situation?

Only if you allow it.

....

Enjoying a letter from a Family member doesn't quite take us out of "...the fullness of our present situation", and is, quite to the contrary, a nicely begotten part of it.



Getting a letter from Uncle Joe, full of Wisdom and Compassion, rich in encouragement and helpful caution, is one thing, and is, no doubt, to be savoured and appreciated. Clinging to Uncle Joe's words, pulling out his letter at every doubtful, difficult moment and grasping at any hint of meaning that may be applied to the present situation rather than addressing the necessity ...

Not only do we allow it, we are habituated to a reliance on ancient words.
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Re: Hsin Hsin Ming - Verses on the Perfect Mind

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon May 08, 2017 4:44 pm

Be good to yerself, then: BURN this reply! :Namaste: :lol2: :rbow: :heya:

_/|\_

--Joe

[james] wrote:
desert_woodworker wrote:
[james] wrote:... words of past millennia ...does this reliance not obstruct us in recognizing the fullness of our present situation?

Only if you allow it.
....
Enjoying a letter from a Family member doesn't quite take us out of "...the fullness of our present situation", and is, quite to the contrary, a nicely begotten part of it.

Getting a letter from Uncle Joe, full of Wisdom and Compassion, rich in encouragement and helpful caution, is one thing, and is, no doubt, to be savoured and appreciated. Clinging to Uncle Joe's words, pulling out his letter at every doubtful, difficult moment and grasping at any hint of meaning that may be applied to the present situation rather than addressing the necessity ...

Not only do we allow it, we are habituated to a reliance on ancient words.

Oh.. on that last, I'd say, "Speak for thy self (alone)". If that much. --(Unk)-J.
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